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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: STEMO on 31 October 2020, 17:01:08
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Our glorious leader is about to lock us all down again, according to the BBC. Get your toilet rolls in ;D
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I get the horrible impression that next year will be no better :(
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Who would be the PM with the hard choices he has to make that will effect so many with life expectancy involved in quantity?
It is easy for armchair critics, who do not bear any kind of responsible at the level he does, to spout “advice” / criticism and say what they would do. Unless you have had the experience of making decisions that affect people’s livelihoods, and that does not cover deaths, they have no idea how hard it is.
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Got used to it now ☺️
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Boris's speach summed up (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS3612EIcF4) ;D
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Bored now.
Just hope that we don't get furloughed again... If this carries on indefinitely, then I can see alot more becoming unemployed :-\
Either close everything or open everything as there is no middle ground.
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A half arsed lockdown it is, then. These measures are surely only meant to slow things down in the hope of stopping the hospitals being overwhelmed, definitely not stop the virus in it's tracks.
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A half arsed lockdown it is, then. These measures are surely only meant to slow things down in the hope of stopping the hospitals being overwhelmed, definitely not stop the virus in it's tracks.
Which is a near impossibility anyway, so die at home and save the NHS! ;D
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A half arsed lockdown it is, then. These measures are surely only meant to slow things down in the hope of stopping the hospitals being overwhelmed, definitely not stop the virus in it's tracks.
Which is a near impossibility anyway, so die at home and save the NHS! ;D
What of, boredom? ;D
Won't really affect us, again. Mo will be at work, Ben at uni and me dog walking and shopping. Already got 275 toilet rolls, so no need to panic.
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The NHS is already being overwhelmed.
My daughter is a hospital Pharmacist is Manchester, and the prognosis is not good.
Avoid getting ill or injured, because once in hospital you will get Covid. And as you are sick, you'll be at a low pointbsnyway. Say goodbye to your loved ones etc.
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The NHS is already being overwhelmed.
My daughter is a hospital Pharmacist is Manchester, and the prognosis is not good.
Avoid getting ill or injured, because once in hospital you will get Covid. And as you are sick, you'll be at a low pointbsnyway. Say goodbye to your loved ones etc.
Blimey right ol ray of sunshine..
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The NHS is already being overwhelmed.
My daughter is a hospital Pharmacist is Manchester, and the prognosis is not good.
Avoid getting ill or injured, because once in hospital you will get Covid. And as you are sick, you'll be at a low pointbsnyway. Say goodbye to your loved ones etc.
A fair picture apart from say goodbye to your loved ones. You don’t get that option, they just go. The party goers, more than six, curfew breakers and bat flu cynics should be made to dig graves for the dead.
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Not a question of being cynical, everything done thus far hasn't really achieved much, so perhaps we would be better spent learning to live with it.
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Who would be the PM with the hard choices he has to make that will effect so many with life expectancy involved in quantity?
It is easy for armchair critics, who do not bear any kind of responsible at the level he does, to spout “advice” / criticism and say what they would do. Unless you have had the experience of making decisions that affect people’s livelihoods, and that does not cover deaths, they have no idea how hard it is.
Yep. Pretty much. Whatever he does, says, or decides will be wrong in someone's eyes, and we're all armchair experts aren't we? I'm just happy with my personal belief that had Corbyn won the last election, he would have done no better as he is incapable of making tough decisions.
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The NHS is already being overwhelmed.
My daughter is a hospital Pharmacist is Manchester, and the prognosis is not good.
Avoid getting ill or injured, because once in hospital you will get Covid. And as you are sick, you'll be at a low pointbsnyway. Say goodbye to your loved ones etc.
Blimey right ol ray of sunshine..
My daughter is a Hospital Pharmascist. She works in a Hospital near the M602 in Manchester.
She phones every night to let all the stress of the day flow out. Her description of what's going on sounds like a war zone, run by zombies.
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Why do you expect anything different from the NHS?
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Not a question of being cynical, everything done thus far hasn't really achieved much, so perhaps we would be better spent learning to live with it.
Learning, you say? Ahh, that's going to be a problem. ::)
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I'm afraid that it is all down to the individual & a bit of luck, try to protect yourself as best you can , it seems fairly obvious that very little is known about this virus & every day the theories change it's definitely not going away anytime soon & a lot of folk seem incapable of following the guidelines anyway stay safe as best you can. Personally I don't think that any government in power would have coped any better.
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I think we need troops on the streets, anybody without a valid reason to be out should be shot..
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I'm afraid that it is all down to the individual & a bit of luck, try to protect yourself as best you can , it seems fairly obvious that very little is known about this virus & every day the theories change it's definitely not going away anytime soon & a lot of folk seem incapable of following the guidelines anyway stay safe as best you can. Personally I don't think that any government in power would have coped any better.
Totally agree.
Had to smile reading a question on an expat forum here in Spain. I am organising a quiz night. Is the maximum number I can have six or is it six per table as suggested by the establishment. . It isnt just folks having illegal raves or big indoor family gatherings.
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I think we need troops on the streets, anybody without a valid reason to be out should be shot..
That's the problem with this lockdown lite, almost anyone can go out. Just not to pubs, restaurants, hairdressers, barbers, gyms, clothes shops, etc. The school run will be just as busy, as will the roads with white van man and Amazon. Going out for exercise or essential shopping or medical reasons means anyone can go anywhere they want to, there will be no checks on anyone because it's all just advice. Half arsed, as I said.
And, as Mick said, it's up to the individual to keep themselves and others safe. I think supermarkets should be made more accountable for what happens inside.
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While I agree that most Govts. have struggled as much as ours with Covid, I think Boris has has just done himself serious political damage.
From the start they have got away with everything that has gone good or bad by following the scientific advice.
Not this time though. He was advised to do what he has just done weeks ago and chose not to. Starmer obviously got wind of it and publicly called for a "circuit breaker lockdown".
Now Boris has decided to do it he has given is opponents two sticks to beat him with.
1. He ignored the scientists and therefore killed a lot of people.
2. He isnt fit to govern due to being indecisive and utterly heartless, and should be replaced by Starmer who would have done this weeks ago, and saved a lot of lives.
He will struggle to live it down.
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I watched it on the telly on the way back from Mums. I think its something that had to happen, as it did back in March.
I can see a period of 3 or 4 week stringent restrictions, followed by a similar period of looser, but still restricted, times. all repeated until a viable workaround can be implemented, with vaccination(s) looking the most likely.
I think he delayed doing it so that easing would start early December, as its absolutely critical that retail gets a workable Christmas, else there really will not be a High Street next year.
I do fear, though, decent pubs will be a thing of the past, esp in urban areas - though you could argue that happened a decade ago when gastro pubs or those selling artisan beers exclusively cause the extinction of the social pubs.
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Only these lockdowns do need properly enforcing. Its clear the Brits are either too stupid or too self centred to do it through education.
Army with live ammo required.
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Agreed. The young in particular seem to think its some bollix on the news that they can completely ignore.
As a start, those Uni students who are holding parties in their rooms should be expelled from Uni, with no ifs buts or appeals.
I think there is also a problem in Asian communities. Culturally they are still communities and very close families(unlike Brits) and spend a lot of time in and out of each others houses. I suspect its a hard habit to break.
Presumably, things will open up again in time for Christmas, and then the whole process will repeat itself, until someone invents a definitive vaccine / cure.
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Only these lockdowns do need properly enforcing. Its clear the Brits are either too stupid or too self centred to do it through education.
Army with live ammo required.
It's not a lockdown though, is it? As someone said on one of Mo's social media accounts this morning 'A lockdown with schools open is like having a designated weeing area in a swimming pool'. Very clever and very true.
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Agreed. The young in particular seem to think its some bollix on the news that they can completely ignore.
As a start, those Uni students who are holding parties in their rooms should be expelled from Uni, with no ifs buts or appeals.
I think there is also a problem in Asian communities. Culturally they are still communities and very close families(unlike Brits) and spend a lot of time in and out of each others houses. I suspect its a hard habit to break.
Presumably, things will open up again in time for Christmas, and then the whole process will repeat itself, until someone invents a definitive vaccine / cure.
Dear me ;D You really shouldn't be driving a clit with an attitude like that, go and have a piss in the drivers seat of your omega ;D
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Well, these young people etc. can party all they like, but when I see them on telly crying that their Granny has just died of Covid, I wont have a shred of sympathy for them. ;)
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From what has been written on this thread I believe the majority of us can see how stupid some people are , a lot of if it is caused by peoples attitude to being " told" what to do but that is the way the world is going I'm afraid, anti authority will lead to self destruction just a matter of time.
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From what has been written on this thread I believe the majority of us can see how stupid some people are , a lot of if it is caused by peoples attitude to being " told" what to do but that is the way the world is going I'm afraid, anti authority will lead to self destruction just a matter of time.
Anti authority is nothing new. From the moment new Labour started telling kids that there were no losers on sports day, and they had human rights, the mould was set. Kids are taught how to behave in adulthood while growing up, in the main, and the last three or four generations have been taught that there are really no serious sanctions that can lawfully be applied.
From the moment the first kid said to his teacher 'You can't touch me, it's against the law', we'd had it.
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And it's no use hoping those days will return. People our age will just have to realise that it's a different world, as people our age have always had to do.
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And even if we did introduce more draconian laws, there are no coppers to enforce them. ;D
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It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.
Obviously in places like China, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...
That's not to advocate doing nothing, but seeing how it has suddenly started spreading like wildfire in the last few weeks, (bear in mind that everywhere has been open since July so unlikely to be the root cause of the up turn), unfortunately those who are at significant risk of succumbing to it are probably going to succumb sooner or later any way. I know that's not a popular opinion but we have already demonstrated that swaithes of society can't do what they're told.
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It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.
Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...
FTFY Dr G! ::)
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There is no answer to this as I said earlier nobody has a clue about this virus so all you can do is try to preserve yourself as best as possible, this lockdown won't make any difference at all why should it ? It can't be enforced properly , as Stemo said there are not significant numbers of Police Officers to even try.
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I watched it on the telly on the way back from Mums. I think its something that had to happen, as it did back in March.
I can see a period of 3 or 4 week stringent restrictions, followed by a similar period of looser, but still restricted, times. all repeated until a viable workaround can be implemented, with vaccination(s) looking the most likely.
I think he delayed doing it so that easing would start early December, as its absolutely critical that retail gets a workable Christmas, else there really will not be a High Street next year.
I do fear, though, decent pubs will be a thing of the past, esp in urban areas - though you could argue that happened a decade ago when gastro pubs or those selling artisan beers exclusively cause the extinction of the social pubs.
The seeds of the pubs decline were first sown with more severe drink driving laws and attitudes, along with no smoking allowed inside them and cheap supermarket booze. The young get their thrills now ( well before COVID ) in establishments that give them far more for their needs in the 21st century.
The pub as we knew them back then are going the same way as bricks and mortar shops. Like the latter they will soon all be bulldozed / converted for the building of homes. ;)
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All that is happening is countries are trying to buy time for a magic bullet to be invented. Vaccinations might help, a hand held tester per family that can be used hundreds of times might help. I am setting great store in self contained perspex divers helmets with own filter and oxygen.
Won’t be long before it moves from pandemic to endemic..........
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Anti authority is nothing new. From the moment new Labour started telling kids that there were no losers on sports day, and they had human rights, the mould was set. Kids are taught how to behave in adulthood while growing up, in the main, and the last three or four generations have been taught that there are really no serious sanctions that can lawfully be applied.
From the moment the first kid said to his teacher 'You can't touch me, it's against the law', we'd had it.
This rings so true in my experiences.
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Anti authority is nothing new. From the moment new Labour started telling kids that there were no losers on sports day, and they had human rights, the mould was set. Kids are taught how to behave in adulthood while growing up, in the main, and the last three or four generations have been taught that there are really no serious sanctions that can lawfully be applied.
From the moment the first kid said to his teacher 'You can't touch me, it's against the law', we'd had it.
This rings so true in my experiences.
This became a 'thing' when the Child Act was created.
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It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.
Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...
FTFY Dr G! ::)
I've an aunt in Melbourne, and you're not far wrong. In Victoria they've used it as an opportunity to force through a whole raft of population restrictions and given the police enough powers to frighten Orwell. Much like GWBushes did with the Patriot Act, which is anything but patriotic :-X
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It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.
Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...
FTFY Dr G! ::)
I've an aunt in Melbourne, and you're not far wrong. In Victoria they've used it as an opportunity to force through a whole raft of population restrictions and given the police enough powers to frighten Orwell. Much like GWBushes did with the Patriot Act, which is anything but patriotic :-X
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Don't think anyone over here has the balls to do anything tough , the UK will just stumble through this crisis hoping things will turn out okay .
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and when idiots behave like this .. just what do you expect ??
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055
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Don't think anyone over here has the balls to do anything tough , the UK will just stumble through this crisis hoping things will turn out okay .
It's too late for that.
The original lockdown was touted as the solution to the whole problem, which anybody with any sense should have realised was nonsense.
It was necessary given the horrific predictions based on WAG** modelling. Any professional modeller would have(and I bet many of them were screaming this) that you have to get real data as soon as possible to make the models accurate.
Tracing how the virus and its consequence spread should have been the priority from day 1. Then we would have known very quickly that it didn't spread as badly as first thought, or that it was nowhere near as fatal, that oxygen was a better treatment of the worst symptoms than ventilators, and that most of us were unlikely to be affected.
That would have meant that a competent government could have used the country's original goodwill to keep business, schools and other important aspects of society running with some sensible precautions, which would have mainly been reduce your social interactions as much as possible. That's the real meaning of social distancing, instead of the physical 2 metre distancing they called out for.
Instead the appeal to 'common sense'*** was an instant and long term opps up that is only going to get much worse.
The new lockdown will have the same effectiveness the last one did: as soon as it's lifted the trouble will continue just as it was before.
** Wild Arsed Guess
*** Common sense - throw reason out the window, or to quote Feynman "Why be informed, when you can use your feelings as facts?"
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The original lockdown was touted as the solution to the whole problem, which anybody with any sense should have realised was nonsense.
Surely even the dumbest assed thicko realised that each wave would result in a subsequent lockdown*? I can't imagine anyone was under any illusion otherwise?
*loose sense lockdown, but some form of preventing social interaction.
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When I saw them bringing infected Brits back home from China by the coach load months ago I said that was a mistake, as for allowing travel in & out of the UK that that was beyond stupid .
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I think we should all calm down and have a nice cup of tea :)
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I think we should all calm down and have a nice cup of tea :)
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Sod tea , I'm on the malt 😄
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I think we should all calm down and have a nice cup of tea :)
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Sod tea , I'm on the malt 😄
Yes, Mick, nice slice of malt loaf......with your nice cup of tea. What could be better on a Sunday evening watching Songs of Praise. ;D
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I think we should all calm down and have a nice cup of tea :)
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Sod tea , I'm on the malt 😄
Yes, Mick, nice slice of malt loaf......with your nice cup of tea. What could be better on a Sunday evening watching Songs of Praise. ;D
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Absolutely nothing , bless you my son..😄
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I think we should all calm down and have a nice cup of tea :)
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Sod tea , I'm on the malt 😄
Yes, Mick, nice slice of malt loaf......with your nice cup of tea. What could be better on a Sunday evening watching Songs of Praise. ;D
Not having indigestion from the tea.
It's evening, beer is good
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So just before they enforce a controversial lockdown on us again they tell us that Prince William had the virus back in April and 'struggled to breathe'........ ::)
I'll leave you all to make your own minds up about that. :-X
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So just before they enforce a controversial lockdown on us again they tell us that Prince William had the virus back in April and 'struggled to breathe'........ ::)
I'll leave you all to make your own minds up about that. :-X
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Schhh supposed to be a secret 😅😅😅
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Kinnell, wouldn't want to be in Chechia (Czech Republic)
https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea
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Or Belgium. But I've never wanted to be in Belgium. ;D
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I doubt even Belgians want to be in Belgium. ;D
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I doubt even Belgians want to be in Belgium. ;D
Marginally better than France though. The only saving grace France has is the wonderful automobiles it produces.
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I doubt even Belgians want to be in Belgium. ;D
I have fond, if somewhat fuzzy, memories of my last 2 trips to Belgium, Even if the Stella factory didn't let me in.
That said, I have vague recollections of the taxi driver trying to kill us after none of us fancied buying his sister for the night.
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I doubt even Belgians want to be in Belgium. ;D
I have fond, if somewhat fuzzy, memories of my last 2 trips to Belgium, Even if the Stella factory didn't let me in.
That said, I have vague recollections of the taxi driver trying to kill us after none of us fancied buying his sister for the night.
Are you sure that's how the conversation went? :D
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I doubt even Belgians want to be in Belgium. ;D
I have fond, if somewhat fuzzy, memories of my last 2 trips to Belgium, Even if the Stella factory didn't let me in.
That said, I have vague recollections of the taxi driver trying to kill us after none of us fancied buying his sister for the night.
Are you sure that's how the conversation went? :D
Yes, it was most definately that way round, and I do have at least 3 other witnesses, possibly 4, depending at exactly what point someone became unconcious.
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No, there were 5 of us. So at least 4 witnesses.
How the hell did we all get in the same taxi for our "interesting" detour followed by death?
I do know I slept in the same bed as The Boy Raj that night. God, the taxi driver's sister must have been a minger, even with my beer goggles on ;D
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Well, that's another month off :-X
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At least.
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The term used was 'until further notice'...
Intend to put the time to good effect and make a start on my Part 66 A licence. ;)
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The perfect home test for the virus is simple :)
Pour out a glass of your favorite tipple, now does it smell & taste ok ???
If it does then all is good & as we here from Boris more testing will be a benefit
This evening I`ve tried stringing the tests together & I feel just great :y
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You're doing the test wrong...
Tipple into a shot glass, and inhale it via a straw.
That should feel like the proper test. Stop if you get a nosebleed. A failure to complete the test is the same as a positive test.
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Well, these young people etc. can party all they like, but when I see them on telly crying that their Granny has just died of Covid, I wont have a shred of sympathy for them. ;)
Strangely, it won't be the Same young person. The young people I know have been ultra careful and are developing mental.health issues. Ultra OCD.
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I watched it on the telly on the way back from Mums. I think its something that had to happen, as it did back in March.
I can see a period of 3 or 4 week stringent restrictions, followed by a similar period of looser, but still restricted, times. all repeated until a viable workaround can be implemented, with vaccination(s) looking the most likely.
I think he delayed doing it so that easing would start early December, as its absolutely critical that retail gets a workable Christmas, else there really will not be a High Street next year.
I do fear, though, decent pubs will be a thing of the past, esp in urban areas - though you could argue that happened a decade ago when gastro pubs or those selling artisan beers exclusively cause the extinction of the social pubs.
The seeds of the pubs decline were first sown with more severe drink driving laws and attitudes, along with no smoking allowed inside them and cheap supermarket booze. The young get their thrills now ( well before COVID ) in establishments that give them far more for their needs in the 21st century.
The pub as we knew them back then are going the same way as bricks and mortar shops. Like the latter they will soon all be bulldozed / converted for the building of homes. ;)
The seeds of pub decline started when pub landlords were forced to start IDing anyone under 25. Back in the day, I became a regular of my local. Aged 15. Half the customers were under 18. I was in thier darts team at 17.
Now kids that age just hang around on the street, smoking dope. Its easier to get.
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Our local village used to have a Bobby. He knew several of the 15 - 17 year olds regularly had a pint or two in the local pub.
He was happy to turn a blind eye as long as they behaved themselves inside the pub and on the way home when they left.
This kind of common sense seems to be sadly lacking these days, as indeed is the old fashioned village Bobby.
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While some of the shops are shut not much else seems to have changed,still plenty of traffic,people visiting others,the local Kosovans still doing car washes etc.
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While some of the shops are shut not much else seems to have changed,still plenty of traffic,people visiting others,the local Kosovans still doing car washes etc.
Yep, life seems very normal here. Then again, I don't go to Primark, or any clothes shop, or drink in pubs.
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Nor do I.
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Same here in Suffolk. Went to Mums this morning, (she is 101 now and her health is failing). The roads were just as busy as before the start of this so called lock down. Though she has carers coming in 4 times daily, myself and my brother supply her meals and do her washing.
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On Wednesday, the sky was full of light aircraft, low, with no exhaust silencers, a;; sounding laboured. As I walked back from the postbox, I could see over 10 simultaneously, along with the obligatory parachuters over Hinton.
Thursday, none. Zilch. Peace.
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Walked into town for sprouts & a newspaper nice & quiet .
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Just been out to my usual dog walking place, never seen it so busy. Cars everywhere, in the car park, on the road, on the grass verges.......manic.
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Walked into town for sprouts & a newspaper nice & quiet .
//TB racks his brain, ponders if there is anywhere in town that sells newspapers and veg...
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Walked into town for sprouts & a newspaper nice & quiet .
//TB rocks his brain, ponders if there is anywhere in town that sells newspapers and veg...
Asda. ;D
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Walked into town for sprouts & a newspaper nice & quiet .
//TB rocks his brain, ponders if there is anywhere in town that sells newspapers and veg...
Asda. ;D
Nearest Asda is 25 miles away ;D. Not that the look-at-me's here would allow Asda. I know they blocked a well known cardboard burger joint from being built.
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Old fashioned here ,proper old fruit & veg shop stalls outside and pass a paper shop/ tobacconist on the way there no need to rack brain..😄😄😄 simple you can poke Asda.
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Took SWMBO for a wheelchair stroll. Came back past our local retail park. Most "non essential" stores were open and the car park was rammed. Crazy.
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Took SWMBO for a wheelchair stroll. Came back past our local retail park. Most "non essential" stores were open and the car park was rammed. Crazy.
Not really, Ronny. The shops that are open are the shops that are allowed to be open. How can you tell people not to go out unnecessarily and keep all the shops open?
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Just thinking the same...
Had to click and collect some printer ink from Currys in order to 'work from home'... Online ordering only. The only other shop open was the M&S food hall. ::)
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Even Next are open up here, for collection only. Essential? Until someone says otherwise, yes.
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Clothes are deemed to be socially acceptable, especially as it is now November ::)
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Did you see the Welsh fella that went into a supermarket with no clothes on as the Welsh government had deemed clothes as non essential? ;D
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Did you see the Welsh fella that went into a supermarket with no clothes on as the Welsh government had deemed clothes as non essential? ;D
I hope he was wearing a mask :D
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Walked into town for sprouts & a newspaper nice & quiet .
Blimey - you've left that a bit late haven't you? I thought everyone knew sprouts should be on by the end of September in order to be ready to eat with the Christmas meal. ::)