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[STEMO]

And it's no use hoping those days will return. People our age will just have to realise that it's a different world, as people our age have always had to do.

[STEMO]

And even if we did introduce more draconian laws, there are no coppers to enforce them. 

[Doctor Gollum]

It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.

Obviously in places like China, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...

That's not to advocate doing nothing, but seeing how it has suddenly started spreading like wildfire in the last few weeks, (bear in mind that everywhere has been open since July so unlikely to be the root cause of the up turn), unfortunately those who are at significant risk of succumbing to it are probably going to succumb sooner or later any way. I know that's not a popular opinion but we have already demonstrated that swaithes of society can't do what they're told.

[Sir Tigger KC]

It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.

Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...

FTFY Dr G! 

[Rangie]

There is no answer to this as I said earlier nobody has a clue about this virus so all you can do is try to preserve yourself as best as possible, this lockdown won't make any difference at all why should it ? It can't be enforced properly , as Stemo said there are not significant numbers of Police Officers to even try.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I watched it on the telly on the way back from Mums. I think its something that had to happen, as it did back in March.

I can see a period of 3 or 4 week stringent restrictions, followed by a similar period of looser, but still restricted, times. all repeated until a viable workaround can be implemented, with vaccination(s) looking the most likely.

I think he delayed doing it so that easing would start early December, as its absolutely critical that retail gets a workable Christmas, else there really will not be a High Street next year.

I do fear, though, decent pubs will be a thing of the past, esp in urban areas - though you could argue that happened a decade ago when gastro pubs or those selling artisan beers exclusively cause the extinction of the social pubs.

The seeds of the pubs decline were first sown with more severe drink driving laws and attitudes, along with no smoking allowed inside them and cheap supermarket booze. The young get their thrills now ( well before COVID ) in establishments that give them far more for their needs in the 21st century.

The pub as we knew them back then are going the same way as bricks and mortar shops. Like the latter they will soon all be bulldozed / converted for the building of homes. 

[Varche]

All that is happening is countries are trying to buy time for a magic bullet to be invented. Vaccinations might help, a hand held tester per family that can be used hundreds of times might help. I am setting great store in self contained perspex divers helmets with own filter and oxygen.

Won’t be long before it moves from pandemic to endemic..........

[TheBoy]

Anti authority is nothing new. From the moment new Labour started telling kids that there were no losers on sports day, and they had human rights, the mould was set. Kids are taught how to behave in adulthood while growing up, in the main, and the last three or four generations have been taught that there are really no serious sanctions that can lawfully be applied.
From the moment the first kid said to his teacher 'You can't touch me, it's against the law', we'd had it.

This rings so true in my experiences.

[Doctor Gollum]

Anti authority is nothing new. From the moment new Labour started telling kids that there were no losers on sports day, and they had human rights, the mould was set. Kids are taught how to behave in adulthood while growing up, in the main, and the last three or four generations have been taught that there are really no serious sanctions that can lawfully be applied.
From the moment the first kid said to his teacher 'You can't touch me, it's against the law', we'd had it.

This rings so true in my experiences.

This became a 'thing' when the Child Act was created.

[Doctor Gollum]

It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.

Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...

FTFY Dr G! 

I've an aunt in Melbourne, and you're not far wrong. In Victoria they've used it as an opportunity to force through a whole raft of population restrictions and given the police enough powers to frighten Orwell. Much like GWBushes did with the Patriot Act, which is anything but patriotic

[Rangie]

It either needed to be martial law or no lockdown at the start. Anything done subsequently has clearly been ineffective.

Obviously in places like China Australia, locking people in their apartment blocks is perfectly normal and reasonable behaviour, but try doing that here...

FTFY Dr G! 

I've an aunt in Melbourne, and you're not far wrong. In Victoria they've used it as an opportunity to force through a whole raft of population restrictions and given the police enough powers to frighten Orwell. Much like GWBushes did with the Patriot Act, which is anything but patriotic

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Don't think anyone over here has the balls to do anything tough , the UK will just stumble through this crisis hoping things will turn out  okay .

[Entwood]

and when idiots behave like this .. just what do you expect ?? 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-54769055

[Nick W]

Don't think anyone over here has the balls to do anything tough , the UK will just stumble through this crisis hoping things will turn out  okay .

It's too late for that.
The original lockdown was touted as the solution to the whole problem, which anybody with any sense should have realised was nonsense.


It was necessary given the horrific predictions based on WAG** modelling. Any professional modeller would have(and I bet many of them were screaming this) that you have to get real data as soon as possible to make the models accurate.


Tracing how the virus and its consequence spread should have been the priority from day 1. Then we would have known very quickly that it didn't spread as badly as first thought, or that it was nowhere near as fatal, that oxygen was a better treatment of the worst symptoms than ventilators, and that most of us were unlikely to be affected.


That would have meant that a competent government could have used the country's original goodwill to keep business, schools and other important aspects of society running with some sensible precautions, which would have mainly been reduce your social interactions as much as possible. That's the real meaning of social distancing, instead of the physical 2 metre distancing they called out for.


Instead the appeal to 'common sense'*** was an instant and long term opps up that is only going to get much worse.


The new lockdown will have the same effectiveness the last one did: as soon as it's lifted the trouble will continue just as it was before.


** Wild Arsed Guess
*** Common sense - throw reason out the window, or to quote Feynman "Why be informed, when you can use your feelings as facts?"

[TheBoy]

The original lockdown was touted as the solution to the whole problem, which anybody with any sense should have realised was nonsense.

Surely even the dumbest assed thicko realised that each wave would result in a subsequent lockdown*?  I can't imagine anyone was under any illusion otherwise?


*loose sense lockdown, but some form of preventing social interaction.

[Rangie]

When I saw them bringing infected Brits back home from China by the coach load months ago I said that was a mistake, as for allowing travel in & out of the UK that that was beyond stupid .