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Title: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Migalot on 23 August 2022, 11:22:42
Call me names, call me a conspiracy theorist, call me any name you want, but I believe what Katie Hopkins (like her or loathe her) says here. Easy to blame the pandemic, staffing, or Brexit, but people need to join the dots. That's my opinion, anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wseAVK7l9hc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wseAVK7l9hc)
 
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 12:09:48
Something else to worry about or not, haven't bothered watching it I take no notice of the madness churned out day after day. 🤪
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Migalot on 23 August 2022, 12:42:51
Something else to worry about or not, haven't bothered watching it I take no notice of the madness churned out day after day. 🤪

The more that take no notice, like you, the more likely these things will be implemented.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Varche on 23 August 2022, 12:55:03
The brakes are well and truly off climate control.

Free for all on mitigating the affects of Putins war.

Tourism will continue to be popular both for individuals and businesses.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 14:50:31
Something else to worry about or not, haven't bothered watching it I take no notice of the madness churned out day after day. 🤪

The more that take no notice, like you, the more likely these things will be implemented.



Great bring it on couldn't give a f**k. 😅😅😅
All these tossers spreading doom & gloom silly bastards.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: LC0112G on 23 August 2022, 14:59:18
There are currently 13368 airliners airborne around the world showing on my tracking screens. If we assume 100 people on board each airliner (which is probably on the low side), that's 1.3million people defying gravity as I type.

The chances of this changing* in the next 5 years. Zero.

*Barring all out nuclear war, asteroid impact, super tsunami, or plague and pestulance...
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 15:09:26
Hooray someone talking sense.






Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 15:31:25
Katie Hopkins is world renowned.......for liking the sound of her own voice........and being a stupid bitch. Oh...stupid, bankrupt bitch.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 15:42:36
Another sensible comment, wasn't she the silly bitch that was chucked out of Australia ?
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Migalot on 23 August 2022, 18:27:27
Instead of trying to slag off the messenger (Katie Hopkins), try doing a bit of research. If Truss/Sunak or whoever continues with Johnson's Net Zero aims, then air travel (certainly cheap air travel) will become a thing of the past. I'm not saying Hopkins is right, but the fact that so many nations seem to be reducing their flight capacity should be food for thought.

In her last significant act as Prime Minister, Theresa May changed the UK’s Climate Change Act to commit us to eliminating all greenhouse gas emissions in the UK by 2050. This decision is based on good climate-science, was a response to a great wave of social protest and has been replicated in 60 other countries already,” the Absolute Zero report commissioned by the UK government explains.

According to the authors of the report, the only way that the UK government can meet their Absolute Zero obligations is to phase out all air travel, implementing an outright ban in 2050 until such a time as the government can conceive of a means of producing planes that produce zero greenhouse gases at any point during an aircraft’s production or use.

It shouldn’t need to be stated, but this is absolutely impossible.

Nonetheless, the authors say that “All airports except Heathrow, Glasgow and Belfast [will] close” between 2020-2029 and “All remaining airports [will] close” by 2050.


The Report is here: www.ukfires.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Absolute-Zero-online.pdf (http://www.ukfires.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Absolute-Zero-online.pdf)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 18:47:42
Bunch of left wing nutters  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 18:48:54
In 2050 I'll be 96 so in those immortal words of Mr T " I ain't getting on no aeroplane" 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 18:56:16
In 2050 I'll be 96 so in those immortal words of Mr T " I ain't getting on no aeroplane" 😂😂😂
You and I know that it's total nonsense, Mick, but some people are beyond help. The BBC, and other mainstream news outlets, tell us if Boris farts in bed, but no mention of disappearing airports or the WEF trying to take over the world. This is left to obscure groups of conspiracy theorists who, in my opinion, should be shot, in front of their families.  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 18:59:25
But we don't have to wait until the 2050's. Remember gas boilers are to be banned from 2025, let's wait and see how that one works out.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 19:02:22
In 2050 I'll be 96 so in those immortal words of Mr T " I ain't getting on no aeroplane" 😂😂😂
You and I know that it's total nonsense, Mick, but some people are beyond help. The BBC, and other mainstream news outlets, tell us if Boris farts in bed, but no mention of disappearing airports or the WEF trying to take over the world. This is left to obscure groups of conspiracy theorists who, in my opinion, should be shot, in front of their families.  ;D



Bang on Steve , it really amuses me that some are taken in by this nonsense but it takes all sorts I suppose.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 19:04:48
If my fuel bill goes up to around £6000 per annum, as is being mooted, I could install three wood burning stoves for the same price, apparently. I already have an open chimney breast in the living room, I could open up one on the first floor and one in the attic. Lovely and toasty and just the cost of a few sticks to find.

Edit: I was replying to my own boiler post
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 19:12:55
If my fuel bill goes up to around £6000 per annum, as is being mooted, I could install three wood burning stoves for the same price, apparently. I already have an open chimney breast in the living room, I could open up one on the first floor and one in the attic. Lovely and toasty and just the cost of a few sticks to find.

Edit: I was replying to my own boiler post


We're just getting lovely warm woolies might even snuggle up to SWMBO! Mind you if I do that & she'll think I've been up to something.. 😁
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 19:38:54
If my fuel bill goes up to around £6000 per annum, as is being mooted, I could install three wood burning stoves for the same price, apparently. I already have an open chimney breast in the living room, I could open up one on the first floor and one in the attic. Lovely and toasty and just the cost of a few sticks to find.

Edit: I was replying to my own boiler post

If they're going to ban gas boilers, don't you think they'll ban open fires and wood burners as well?  ???  There's already restrictions on what types of wood you can burn on domestic fires.  :(

Also I think you'll find that the cost of a few sticks will be prohibitive as everyone will have the same idea and demand for wood will rocket!  ::)

Not so clever huh?  :P  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 19:50:08
If my fuel bill goes up to around £6000 per annum, as is being mooted, I could install three wood burning stoves for the same price, apparently. I already have an open chimney breast in the living room, I could open up one on the first floor and one in the attic. Lovely and toasty and just the cost of a few sticks to find.

Edit: I was replying to my own boiler post

If they're going to ban gas boilers, don't you think they'll ban open fires and wood burners as well?  ???  There's already restrictions on what types of wood you can burn on domestic fires.  :(

Also I think you'll find that the cost of a few sticks will be prohibitive as everyone will have the same idea and demand for wood will rocket!  ::)

Not so clever huh?  :P  ;D
If I can't get hold of a gas boiler, I'm fooked, but try and stop me burning wood. No one else will think of my brilliant idea, so there'll be lots of sticks  :P
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Migv6 le Frog Fan on 23 August 2022, 19:52:52
Many hundreds of trees being chopped down at my workplace in the near future. I dont have a chimney in my house though.  :( ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 23 August 2022, 19:53:30
I am no aviation expert, but from a business point of view I know billions of dollars, pounds, euros, are invested in the aircraft industry and the infrastructure to go with it. Too much for any organisation or nation to lose, when there is a vast market of consumers wishing to either go on holiday, on business, or emigrate to other countries, let alone send air freight.

Rather than listen to anymore of that over inflated, stupid bitches negative thoughts, and that is all they are and about as worthy as anything she has so far failed to do, I have read this, one of many positive reports about the future of air travel:

https://www.airport-technology.com/analysis/reach-for-the-sky-the-next-generation-of-aviation/

That is all far more believable and from sources who know far more than Katie Hopkins will ever will!! ::) :D ;)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 19:54:21
If my fuel bill goes up to around £6000 per annum, as is being mooted, I could install three wood burning stoves for the same price, apparently. I already have an open chimney breast in the living room, I could open up one on the first floor and one in the attic. Lovely and toasty and just the cost of a few sticks to find.

Edit: I was replying to my own boiler post

If they're going to ban gas boilers, don't you think they'll ban open fires and wood burners as well?  ???  There's already restrictions on what types of wood you can burn on domestic fires.  :(

Also I think you'll find that the cost of a few sticks will be prohibitive as everyone will have the same idea and demand for wood will rocket!  ::)

Not so clever huh?  :P  ;D
If I can't get hold of a gas boiler, I'm fooked, but try and stop me burning wood. No one else will think of my brilliant idea, so there'll be lots of sticks  :P

You'll have a heat pump and you'll shiver with the rest of them.  :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 20:11:24
I am no aviation expert, but from a business point of view I know billions of dollars, pounds, euros, are invested in the aircraft industry and the infrastructure to go with it. Too much for any organisation or nation to lose, when there is a vast market of consumers wishing to either go on holiday, on business, or emigrate to other countries, let alone send air freight.

Rather than listen to anymore of that over inflated, stupid bitches negative thoughts, and that is all they are and about as worthy as anything she has so far failed to do, I have read this, one of many positive reports about the future of air travel:

https://www.airport-technology.com/analysis/reach-for-the-sky-the-next-generation-of-aviation/

That is all far more believable and from sources who know far more than Katie Hopkins will ever will!! ::) :D ;)

There's a lot of pie in the sky (if you'll excuse the pun) about future green aviation technology.  Doubtless things will change and eventually the technology will emerge, but in the meantime I think that Katie Hopkins is right about this.  Maybe the 5 year timeline is a bit out, but don't forget that Net Zero by 2050 is law and I don't see any politicians out there who would even dream about repealing it.  ::)

What do you think will happen if there's no green aviation technology by 2050, or whatever arbitrary date gets dreamed up and put into law by some virtue signalling idiot whose spent too much time listening to the musings of a Swedish school girl?  ???

Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 20:16:23
Some positive BA news for a change...

https://airportindustry-news.com/aemetis-to-supply-iag-with-saf-at-san-francisco-airport/

Which just goes to show that with a bit of thought, going green doesn't have to be electric.  8)

Incidentally, if you really want to make Heathrow efficient, open it 24/7 and pace the flights rather than rushing around trying to get everything done in 18 hours...
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 20:18:47
Re boilers...

If you think you might need a new one in the mid term,  buy it now. If you already have one then they can't make you not have one.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 20:22:48
Re boilers...

If you think you might need a new one in the mid term,  buy it now. If you already have one then they can't make you not have one.

You think?  ???

My guess is they'll pass laws forcing us to have heat pumps or some other electric heating system.  ::)

Net Zero remember?  :-X
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 20:30:43
Re boilers...

If you think you might need a new one in the mid term,  buy it now. If you already have one then they can't make you not have one.

You think?  ???

My guess is they'll pass laws forcing us to have heat pumps or some other electric heating system.  ::)

Net Zero remember?  :-X
Does recycling unsold stuff not count then? Or should we keeping shipping perfectly good electrical to Africa to be broken down just to keep factories open producing stuff to replace the things we just threw out. And shipped to Africa... etc,  etc  ::)

Perhaps an orderly cull of the middle classes would be more efficient all round? A couple of billion less people would certainly help stretch resources somewhat.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 20:43:53
Re boilers...

If you think you might need a new one in the mid term,  buy it now. If you already have one then they can't make you not have one.

You think?  ???

My guess is they'll pass laws forcing us to have heat pumps or some other electric heating system.  ::)

Net Zero remember?  :-X
Does recycling unsold stuff not count then? Or should we keeping shipping perfectly good electrical to Africa to be broken down just to keep factories open producing stuff to replace the things we just threw out. And shipped to Africa... etc,  etc  ::)

Perhaps an orderly cull of the middle classes would be more efficient all round? A couple of billion less people would certainly help stretch resources somewhat.

It's just the law that this country will have to be Net Zero by 2050. That's a fact and you can all mock as much as you like, but facts are facts.  ::)

If anything, I reckon it's more likely that the date will be brought forward than scrapped, that's how deep this madness runs through the establishment.  :-\

In eight years time it will be impossible to buy a new diesel or petrol car in the UK and that's not far away.  Think about that.  2014 doesn't seem long ago does it?  ???  ::)  :(
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 20:50:02
If folk want to worry about all the " could happen, might happen, will happen" let them, personally  I won't be, life's too short and thankfully in 2050 I doubt if I will still exist.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 20:58:19
If folk want to worry about all the " could happen, might happen, will happen" let them, personally  I won't be, life's too short and thankfully in 2050 I doubt if I will still exist.

Don't you have children and grandchildren Mick?   Don't you care what sort of world they will live in?  ???  :-\
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 23 August 2022, 21:05:26
Yes of course, but I'm a realist nothing lasts forever, and it's all mapped out for all of us, I could " wake up dead" tomorrow but I'm certainly not worried about it but I am completely fed up with all these amateur predictions ,doom & gloom don't need it ,enjoy every day as it comes.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 21:52:49
I get that Katie Hopkins is very much a marmite figure, but she's talking about facts in the video that Migalot linked. BA cancelling 10,000 flights, Amsterdam Schiphol airport reducing its capacity and France banning internal flights and ads for fossil fuels.  ;)

Katie Hopkins being Katie Hopkins there's a dollop of personal opinion sprinkled in, but she's entitled to her opinion same as everyone else and that doesn't mean she's wrong just because she's Katie Hopkins.  ::)

I think everyone should watch the vid before making their minds up.  :y
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:14:37
We've cancelled flights because Heathrow can't procure enough staff to operate in accordance within its licensing requirements. Reduced staffing means reduced capacity in the terminals. And it is significantly less disruptive to cancel a few flights well ahead of time that to plan to operate only to be told you can't an hour before the first one is due to take off,  which is how Heathrow were operating in June :-X

Nothing to do with saving the planet.

And yes, 10,000 flights over four months is a few.

400 a day in and out of T5,  so across the network,  it is probably 2 days flying a month.

She's right about something though,  less flights equates to less airport revenue,  which in turn leads to higher charges. That's how economics works in a shareholder driven society.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:26:19
Dear me, Tigger   ;D ;D ;D
Have you been playing with your internet again? Heat source pumps indeed. Stick one of them in your 13th floor flat  ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:27:39
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:29:04
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.
Katie Hopkins needs something shoving into her mouth. Any suggestions? Where's Opti when you need him?  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:29:42
Perhaps it is already worse than we thought...

https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:30:33
Anyway, if gas boilers are banned from 2025, imagine the fire sale there'll be in 2024.  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:31:08
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.
Katie Hopkins needs something shoving into her mouth. Any suggestions? Where's Opti when you need him?  ;D
Upto his boot tops probably  :D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 22:33:59
Perhaps it is already worse than we thought...

https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline

Remember the sci fi books where everyone lived in huge hi rise cities and wore identical uniforms?

I think we're closer to that then we realise!  :-\

Boiling frog anyone?  :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:35:18
Since we're posting links

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/gas-boilers-banned-2025
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 22:37:27
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 22:38:00
Since we're posting links

https://www.worcester-bosch.co.uk/gas-boilers-banned-2025

Why do you keep going on about gas boilers and 2025?  :-\
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:38:30
Perhaps it is already worse than we thought...

https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/theline

Remember the sci fi books where everyone lived in huge hi rise cities and wore identical uniforms?

I think we're closer to that then we realise!  :-\

Boiling frog anyone?  :)
I thought it was a joke when I saw the advert,  but apparently they're already building it.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:38:34
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:39:34
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
As someone once wrote... We, the People, ...
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 23 August 2022, 22:40:47
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
As someone once wrote... We,  the people...
And look at how that turned out  ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 22:46:37
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:47:24
Well...

They still have their guns...  ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 23 August 2022, 22:49:29
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)
Gran Canaria or Arkansas... Tennessee would have been my first choice,  but it's really expensive.

Or Flo Rida.  That certainly ticks many boxes.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 23 August 2022, 23:06:53
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)
Gran Canaria or Arkansas... Tennessee would have been my first choice,  but it's really expensive.

Or Flo Rida.  That certainly ticks many boxes.

Deep inside me there's probably a little red neck fighting to get out and drive a big pick up.  ;D

The Texas Gulf Coast around Galveston is cool.  You can fish for bull sharks from the beach!  :y
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 August 2022, 01:46:13
Mm…… yes she was 21 when I left…….👧
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Lizzie Zoom on 24 August 2022, 13:32:21
I get that Katie Hopkins is very much a marmite figure, but she's talking about facts in the video that Migalot linked. BA cancelling 10,000 flights, Amsterdam Schiphol airport reducing its capacity and France banning internal flights and ads for fossil fuels.  ;)

Katie Hopkins being Katie Hopkins there's a dollop of personal opinion sprinkled in, but she's entitled to her opinion same as everyone else and that doesn't mean she's wrong just because she's Katie Hopkins.  ::)

I think everyone should watch the vid before making their minds up. :y

I did Sir Tigger, and after which I came to the conclusion I expressed previously. ;)

Mankind will always come up with the answers to meet the urgent challenges of today, as it does in war time, and find the answers to do what it needs to do.  The scientist and engineers are already urgently working on it as apart from doing the good we are required to do, their will be profits to be made out of it! :D

Like so many, I do not need uneducated, in this field, idiots coming out with doom and gloom statements, instead of looking at the facts of positive, specialists in this field, people taking action already to rectify! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Raeturbo on 24 August 2022, 14:13:29
Alway remember…..

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiI_uLsxt_5AhWxQ0EAHfNGDJoQFnoECAwQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fquotepark.com%2Fquotes%2F1914647-cato-the-elder-wise-men-learn-more-from-fools-than-fools-from-the%2F&usg=AOvVaw3mpvDx-G1mjka_49wWKE4d
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Migalot on 24 August 2022, 14:50:55
Or Flo Rida.  That certainly ticks many boxes.

Oh yes. If I was younger and not tied down, Florida would tick many boxes for me right now. One of the biggest draws is the Governor Ron deSantis.

Here he is yesterday calling out the woke ESG globalists.  :y :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 August 2022, 16:18:39
Or Flo Rida.  That certainly ticks many boxes.

Oh yes. If I was younger and not tied down, Florida would tick many boxes for me right now. One of the biggest draws is the Governor Ron deSantis.

Here he is yesterday calling out the woke ESG globalists.  :y :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0)

Would probably make a good POTUS.

Florida is trying common sense whilst California (predictably) is seeing just how far it possible to go down the unhinged 'Alice in Wonderland' rabbit hole.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 August 2022, 16:32:54
A combination of the WEF mixed with digital ID, in the form of the CBDC (central bank digital currency) added to cash being a thing of the past may mean we end up with little control over our own lives.

I very much doubt we will be able to buy what we want, when we want, even if we have the money. :-\

Hopefully I'll be six feet under before before this happens.....if it happens. :-\




Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 24 August 2022, 16:36:19
A combination of the WEF mixed with digital ID, in the form of the CBDC (central bank digital currency) added to cash being a thing of the past may mean we end up with little control over our own lives.

I very much doubt we will be able to buy what we want, when we want, even if we have the money. :-\

Hopefully I'll be six feet under before before this happens.....if it happens. :-\
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That's the great thing about all this shite !
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 24 August 2022, 16:36:24
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 August 2022, 19:04:29
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)

I forgot to add beautiful women to my list.  Does that preclude Barnsley?  ???  :-\                                                       
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 August 2022, 19:21:01
Or Flo Rida.  That certainly ticks many boxes.

Oh yes. If I was younger and not tied down, Florida would tick many boxes for me right now. One of the biggest draws is the Governor Ron deSantis.

Here he is yesterday calling out the woke ESG globalists.  :y :y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFjCBtuX-v0)

ESG or Environmental Social Governance is one of the factors in the lack of investment in North Sea oil and gas in recent years, and is partly responsible for the decline in domestic production and the increase in imports of oil and gas which only increases our trade deficit, weakens Sterling, making imports more expensive, increasing our trade deficit... etc, etc

More green madness!  ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 24 August 2022, 19:30:55
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)

I forgot to add beautiful women to my list.  Does that preclude Barnsley?  ???  :-\                                                       
None of these threads apply to Barnsley, we happily live in the past  :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 August 2022, 19:44:04
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)

I forgot to add beautiful women to my list.  Does that preclude Barnsley?  ???  :-\                                                       
None of these threads apply to Barnsley, we happily live in the past  :)

I'm guessing Barnsley doesn't have a rickety wooden jetty where I can sit in the sunshine with my fishing rod and a cooler full of beers?  ::)  :)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: STEMO on 24 August 2022, 19:48:50
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)

I forgot to add beautiful women to my list.  Does that preclude Barnsley?  ???  :-\                                                       
None of these threads apply to Barnsley, we happily live in the past  :)

I'm guessing Barnsley doesn't have a rickety wooden jetty where I can sit in the sunshine with my fishing rod and a cooler full of beers?  ::)  :)
Erm........no :(
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 24 August 2022, 20:14:30
The question isn't so much what's going on?  But rather is it genuinely a contrived ploy,  or rather, a series of unfortunate coincidences?

So fair play to her for asking the questions,  but try not to be hysterical about it... After all, totally unreasonable is the new acceptable.

I don't want new acceptable or new normal come to that, I just want acceptable and normal, and above all I want to be freeeeeeeeeee!  :)
I take it you mean freeeeeeeeeeze?

Not me. I'm selling up and mean to own nothing and be happy!  :y

I'll find somewhere with a nice climate so I don't have to spend 80% of my income trying to keep warm, somewhere where they're not bothered about Net Zero and somewhere not infested with woke shitheads.  :)

Don't know where that place is yet.  :-\  Maybe it doesn't exist.  :(  I'll let you know!   :)

Barnsley. :)

I forgot to add beautiful women to my list.  Does that preclude Barnsley?  ???  :-\                                                       
None of these threads apply to Barnsley, we happily live in the past  :)

I'm guessing Barnsley doesn't have a rickety wooden jetty where I can sit in the sunshine with my fishing rod and a cooler full of beers?  ::)  :)
Erm........no :(

No. Probably doesn't get much sunshine either!  ;D
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Mister Rog on 25 August 2022, 00:51:20

I can't be arsed to watch all of that, and I have to say that I've not read all responses. But my tuppence worth . . .

Back in the day, flying anywhere for whatever reason was unusual. I didn't fly anywhere until I was about 28.

Flying at 37,000 ft or so in an aluminium tube burning tons of fuel on each journey, is not eco-friendly, regardless of what the airlines say.

These days people expect to fly anywhere, for a few quid, AND get 5* service, and many are the same people that want to save the planet. It ain't gonna happen, and people don't like it.

I need to declare an interest. I hate flying. It's not aerophobia. I just hate the whole process. To and from airports. Getting ripped off at every opportunity. Lying staff about the reason for delays etc. I'd rather drive. Less than 1,000 km from Calais, I drive, and make the extra time for overnight stops. And, I'm sure my Volvo is more eco-friendly. And, I can buy stuff and just shove it in the back of the car.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Rangie on 25 August 2022, 08:38:10

I can't be arsed to watch all of that, and I have to say that I've not read all responses. But my tuppence worth . . .

Back in the day, flying anywhere for whatever reason was unusual. I didn't fly anywhere until I was about 28.

Flying at 37,000 ft or so in an aluminium tube burning tons of fuel on each journey, is not eco-friendly, regardless of what the airlines say.

These days people expect to fly anywhere, for a few quid, AND get 5* service, and many are the same people that want to save the planet. It ain't gonna happen, and people don't like it.

I need to declare an interest. I hate flying. It's not aerophobia. I just hate the whole process. To and from airports. Getting ripped off at every opportunity. Lying staff about the reason for delays etc. I'd rather drive. Less than 1,000 km from Calais, I drive, and make the extra time for overnight stops. And, I'm sure my Volvo is more eco-friendly. And, I can buy stuff and just shove it in the back of the car.
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Got to say that I more or less agree completely, last time we flew was 2019 ( Spain) the holiday was great but the airport experience in the UK was abysmal & has put me off for the foreseeable future. The " tin tent" has been worth its weight in gold and we have enjoyed visiting parts of the UK that we have never seen before.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Varche on 25 August 2022, 08:41:02

I can't be arsed to watch all of that, and I have to say that I've not read all responses. But my tuppence worth . . .

Back in the day, flying anywhere for whatever reason was unusual. I didn't fly anywhere until I was about 28.

Flying at 37,000 ft or so in an aluminium tube burning tons of fuel on each journey, is not eco-friendly, regardless of what the airlines say.

These days people expect to fly anywhere, for a few quid, AND get 5* service, and many are the same people that want to save the planet. It ain't gonna happen, and people don't like it.

I need to declare an interest. I hate flying. It's not aerophobia. I just hate the whole process. To and from airports. Getting ripped off at every opportunity. Lying staff about the reason for delays etc. I'd rather drive. Less than 1,000 km from Calais, I drive, and make the extra time for overnight stops. And, I'm sure my Volvo is more eco-friendly. And, I can buy stuff and just shove it in the back of the car.

Well said that man. I might have made my last flight ever on the 8th March 2020.

But…. Like I said earlier a lot of countries have economies geared to tourists - a huge proportion of which arrive by plane. There is a vast industry behind that travel.
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 25 August 2022, 09:37:30

I can't be arsed to watch all of that, and I have to say that I've not read all responses. But my tuppence worth . . .

Back in the day, flying anywhere for whatever reason was unusual. I didn't fly anywhere until I was about 28.

Flying at 37,000 ft or so in an aluminium tube burning tons of fuel on each journey, is not eco-friendly, regardless of what the airlines say.

These days people expect to fly anywhere, for a few quid, AND get 5* service, and many are the same people that want to save the planet. It ain't gonna happen, and people don't like it.

I need to declare an interest. I hate flying. It's not aerophobia. I just hate the whole process. To and from airports. Getting ripped off at every opportunity. Lying staff about the reason for delays etc. I'd rather drive. Less than 1,000 km from Calais, I drive, and make the extra time for overnight stops. And, I'm sure my Volvo is more eco-friendly. And, I can buy stuff and just shove it in the back of the car.

Well said that man. I might have made my last flight ever on the 8th March 2020.

But…. Like I said earlier a lot of countries have economies geared to tourists - a huge proportion of which arrive by plane. There is a vast industry behind that travel.

The green zealots don't care about all that...  ::)
Title: Re: Within 5 years ordinary people will not have the right to fly.
Post by: Doctor Gollum on 25 August 2022, 10:03:09
Doesn't stop them from travelling or owning second property all over the place  :-X