Omega Owners Forum
Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Darth Loo-knee on 11 January 2012, 17:59:48
-
As some of you may know Paul has had some strange noises from start up, not all the time I might add as when we had a look at Newent the noise typically did not happen. But Torque Convertor Bolts etc were checked.
Paul mentioned that the car has had extensive work done on it before he bought the car..
The car landed here to be checked over so a few pictures here to show what I have found up to yet...
Started to remove the Gearbox, found Gearbox Breather Pipe burned to death so will be after one of those, wiring all over the place and found this..... can you see whats missing?
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0085.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0086.jpg)
So carried on removing the Gearbox & Torque Convertor to find this..... can you see whats wrong??
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0087.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0088.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0089.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0090.jpg)
There is a Spacer Plate that fits to the rear of the Crank. The Flex Plate/ Drive Plate/Flitch Plate sits onto that then has a sort of washer which has 8 holes in it that the bolts go through, bolting all three separate items to the Crank, so really the Drive Plate is sandwiched in the middle (hope that makes sense).
As you can see by this next picture the Spacer Plate is in the centre of the Drive Plate ???
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0091.jpg)
So I knocked it out to leave this...
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0092.jpg)
I tried parting the 3 separate items Spacer Plate, Drive Plate and "Washer" but found it impossible can you see why? ::)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0094.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0095-1.jpg)
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s304/Loo-knee/DSC_0096-1.jpg)
I have managed to source the parts needed from Steve Omega Spare Parts, so thanks for that Steve magic as ever :y so fingers crossed Pauline's car should sound a little better when back together :D
I still believe that people removing these gearboxes are not fitting them correctly, then damaging the Drive Plate whilst refitting. In my opinion that is whats happened here. It obvious the gearbox has been removed, then refitted very poorly as there are half of the important bolts missing.........
-
welcome back from retirement Please Bum Me my poor miggy :'(
-
Any history showing who did the deed(I won't call it work)previously ?
Is this the car with two crank case bolts missing at the bottom of the engine bell housing area at Newent? no wonder it was knocking and banging randomly if so....
...now, what did my self and Kevin bet on was the cause...? :-\
-
darth i hope mrs pauline lovecock appreciates all your hard work ;D :y
-
welcome back from retirement Please Bum Me my poor miggy :'(
You need to play harder to get than that Pauline ;D ;D ;D ;D
Not a Poor Miggy for long though ;)
-
Any history showing who did the deed(I won't call it work)previously ?
Is this the car with two crank case bolts missing at the bottom of the engine bell housing area at Newent? no wonder it was knocking and banging randomly of so....
...now, what did my self and Kevin bet on was the cause...? :-\
Yes Chris, the very same car :-*
-
darth i hope mrs pauline lovecock appreciates all your hard work ;D :y
Well I will see how much she appreciates it when the car is collected Max Wall ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
darth i hope mrs pauline lovecock appreciates all your hard work ;D :y
oiii break off bigballs ;D ;D ;D get your own post
bloody plumbers always interfering in things they just dont understand...havent you got a pint to drink ;D ;D :y
-
darth i hope mrs pauline lovecock appreciates all your hard work ;D :y
Well I will see how much she appreciates it when the car is collected Max Wall ;D ;D ;D ;D
and whats that supposed to mean Please Bum Me my rear is not for rent, sale or gratitudes wifey wont be immpressed its virgin teretory well except for a finger that was a long time ago i was young and she was a couger but i am over that now :y
-
darth i hope mrs pauline lovecock appreciates all your hard work ;D :y
Well I will see how much she appreciates it when the car is collected Max Wall ;D ;D ;D ;D
and whats that supposed to mean Please Bum Me my rear is not for rent, sale or gratitudes wifey wont be immpressed its virgin teretory well except for a finger that was a long time ago i was young and she was a couger but i am over that now :y
I near on wet myself reading that ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
-
Dont suppose you have the service history for your car Paul.It would be interesting to see how much some poor sod was charged for the car to be butchered like that. :o
Im surprised its kept running as long as it has tbh,thats rather shockin. ::)
-
its got service history all with vauxhall but no details/ recipts however i did ring up the dealers to check if the cambelt had ever been done and they said no but it has had a lot of new parts and work but would not tell me what exactly .........i did ask if i could buy a copy etc and they said no
the only thiong they would confirm that it was not down to acceidental damage
-
If a VX dealer did that job they need shutting down. :o
-
its got service history all with vauxhall but no details/ recipts however i did ring up the dealers to check if the cambelt had ever been done and they said no but it has had a lot of new parts and work but would not tell me what exactly .........i did ask if i could buy a copy etc and they said no
the only thiong they would confirm that it was not down to acceidental damage
I still can't understand why you are unable to get the history from a Vauxhall Dealer...
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
-
If a VX dealer did that job they need shutting down. :o
Think the problem people seem to have is fitting the Torque Convertor to the Drive Plate first..... then when the gearbox is pushed on, then tightened it stresses the Drive Plate...maybe even cracks it... also sometimes crushing the torque convertor.
What should happen is, when the gearbox is on the floor, put the torque convertor into the gearbox, turn the torque convertor until it goes into its "slot" then actually slides back. So when you put the gearbox into place the torque convertor is away from the drive plate. When the gearbox is all fastened up, tighten the torqure convertor bolts through the drive plate..
Leaving the bolts out is discusting like you say.
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
I wonder if my Vauxhall could get the info? will ask tomorrow
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
I had the same when I tried to obtain the history for my first Omega from the supplying dealer.They said it was unlawful under the data protection act. :o ::)
-
worth a try mate be interesting to know what else they may have breaked up
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
I had the same when I tried to obtain the history for my first Omega from the supplying dealer.They said it was unlawful under the data protection act. :o ::)
yes sure thats what they told me
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
I had the same when I tried to obtain the history for my first Omega from the supplying dealer.They said it was unlawful under the data protection act. :o ::)
I think that's boo hockey!! I can understand them not giving out the owners details (as may be printed on invoices, etc) but the record of work done on a car should surely be available to the current owner!
Maybe they are aware of the shoddy workmanship, and are trying to cover their rears!! ???
-
Sounds more plausible to me Twigs. :y
-
Sounds more plausible to me Twigs. :y
+1
-
If a VX dealer did that job they need shutting down. :o
Think the problem people seem to have is fitting the Torque Convertor to the Drive Plate first..... then when the gearbox is pushed on, then tightened it stresses the Drive Plate...maybe even cracks it... also sometimes crushing the torque convertor.
What should happen is, when the gearbox is on the floor, put the torque convertor into the gearbox, turn the torque convertor until it goes into its "slot" then actually slides back. So when you put the gearbox into place the torque convertor is away from the drive plate. When the gearbox is all fastened up, tighten the torqure convertor bolts through the drive plate..
Leaving the bolts out is discusting like you say.
When I first joined OOF I changed my autobox on my driveway.The only info I had was Haynes book of lies and what I found on the forum. A bit of a pig to do, and those bolts at the top of the bellhousing are a pita, but for a presumably qualified mechanic in a fully equipped workshop with lifts etc. to do a job to that standard is beyond belief. >:(
-
How many times on here do we see this same sort of story though.
After all this time it still puzzles me how Vauxhall can't get it right.... you would think they were the place to go! and so do alot of others it seems >:(
-
was definatley a vx dealer you got the book in glove box but they refused me a copy
I had the same when I tried to obtain the history for my first Omega from the supplying dealer.They said it was unlawful under the data protection act. :o ::)
I think that's boo hockey!! I can understand them not giving out the owners details (as may be printed on invoices, etc) but the record of work done on a car should surely be available to the current owner!
Maybe they are aware of the shoddy workmanship, and are trying to cover their rears!! ???
Might be worth checking with Trading Standards, or whatever they call themselves these days, to see if this information can be obtained, as clearly the stealers are just protecting themselves. :(
-
How many times on here do we see this same sort of story though.
After all this time it still puzzles me how Vauxhall can't get it right.... you would think they were the place to go! and so do alot of others it seems >:(
Yep, think about the amount of folk who aint interested in cars/mechanics. They take it to Vx in good faith and get completely butt plugged! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
-
Putting the TC onto the box before fitting the box is pretty fundamental imo. Im sure even Haynes book of bollix says to do it that way. Someone who isnt aware of that should be making the tea and sweeping the floor. ::)
-
Think the problem people seem to have is fitting the Torque Convertor to the Drive Plate first..... then when the gearbox is pushed on, then tightened it stresses the Drive Plate...maybe even cracks it... also sometimes crushing the torque convertor.
Yep, either that or the missing bellhousing bolts have left the gearbox inadequately supported and this has put stress on the driveplate. Either way, it was a very shabby mechanic who was there last. :(
Is there any sign of scoring on the torque converter nose? That might indicate if it has had the gearbox rammed back onto the TC.
-
Putting the TC onto the box before fitting the box is pretty fundamental imo. Im sure even Haynes book of bollix says to do it that way. Someone who isnt aware of that should be making the tea and sweeping the floor. ::)
Agreed. It is easy to not offer it up the whole way, then tighten up the bellhousing bolts and damage it, even if you do it the right way. When it's far enough on, it'll be rubbing on the bellhousing.
-
Think the problem people seem to have is fitting the Torque Convertor to the Drive Plate first..... then when the gearbox is pushed on, then tightened it stresses the Drive Plate...maybe even cracks it... also sometimes crushing the torque convertor.
Yep, either that or the missing bellhousing bolts have left the gearbox inadequately supported and this has put stress on the driveplate. Either way, it was a very shabby mechanic who was there last. :(
Is there any sign of scoring on the torque converter nose? That might indicate if it has had the gearbox rammed back onto the TC.
Didn't actually see any scoring or crush marks on the torque convertor Kev being honest, but I will take a better look tomorrow in case we need one of those too.
-
I was worried that mine has the same issue, but in a few months that wont matter :y
-
I was worried that mine has the same issue, but in a few months that wont matter :y
Nope ;D
-
Well parts have arrived this afternoon, so hopefully Tuesday should get time to put it back together.
Will take some pictures of what it should look like ;D
-
roll on next thursday cant wait to get the car back no more white knuckle rides with wifey :o :o woohooo
-
Drive Plate, Gearbox etc etc all back on. Gearbox Oil topped up. Then out for a drive.
Your car really drives nice Pauline, no pulling either way, even on breaking, no knocking over bumps, engine sounds sweet, should last you for a while mate :y.
Drive Plate is in the boot so you can show Mrs. Pauline ;D
-
hi gang, not been on for a while,glad to see you got it sorted so it was the same as mine then drive plate frctured.wonder if this is going to be a common fault in the next few years??? daz the man to the rescue again,btw daz will be intouch in next few weeks for oil and filter change,
regards pete