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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: davethediver on 24 February 2012, 00:20:10
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Which would you pick?
Looking at both :-\ :-\
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Phaeton
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Go on then Chris why?
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It's not an Audi :y
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It's not an Audi :y
LOL
It is becoming apparent the bad drivers who used to drive bmw's are now driving audi's. That said I think running costs of the phaeton could be quite high. I think if I could probably afford to buy and run a phaeton, the I would seriously consider a VXR8. Has the exclusivity to it the other don't have. Ok the phaeton has a bit of it but not as much as the VXR8.
Just my useless opinion of course.
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Phaeton :y
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If it was my money the phaeton :y
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I hate to say it but I would probably go for the A6!
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Horses for courses - if you are 6ft 6" and a
bit of a fat b*****d large boned individual then the Phaeton is the better bet. My son is slim and 6ft 4 and has been usiong the A4 and A6 and is finding back issues - seems to be seating position problem mainly in A4 I think.
The Phaeton is permanent 4 wheel drive and price wise you get a lot of car for the money but it is steel bodied unlike newer Audis which are aluminium and therefore lighter and better on fuel. I get 37 to the gallon from my V6 diesel on a run which is pretty good, insurance for last 2 years is only £300 pa, tax is £435. However servicing for one major amd one intermediate service is £379 including 2 MOTs on VW service plan.
The toys in the Phaeton are significant - but the telephone system built in is Nokia so it loves Nokia S60 phones. You are getting a Bentley continental platform
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Audis have rock hard seats and overly firm suspension that's prone to faults.
Phaeton does not, it's rarer, more comfy, cracking interior, and is one of those over engineered cars we all want. If Clrackson is to be believed.
Plus personal preference, Phaeton is a far better looking car IMO.
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Although as said, I'd have to way up the Phaeton and vxr8. Neither have drop down back seats afaik. Plus there's where to put the LPG tank, I'd want a deep full size spare wheel well in the boot floor preferably.
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I got picked up from the airport in an A8 L 3.0 TDI quattro earlier this week.
Absolutely cavernous interior and pretty comfortable for an Audi, I thought. I was probably in the right place in the back seat, though. Can't see it driving as nicely as an Omega. Handy if you want to do weddings / funerals as a sideline. ;D
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I was looking at an A8 the other day - new - £73000!!!
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Phaeton all day long for me, assuming I was in a position to afford the running costs. Personally,probably wouldnt want a VXR8 these days.Good fun if driving fast is your main reason for leaving the house,(I seem to have moved on from that, due to getting old I suppose) but not a sophisticated mile muncher like the Phaeton.
As for the Audi - I just dont like Audis, never have never will.Got quite a few at work in various specs etc. and they just dont float my boat.
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neither..
there are better jap cars..
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neither..
there are better jap cars..
Was "Jap car" an option? Play first, make up other options later, come on cem, you know the rules by now surely? ;D
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neither..
there are better jap cars..
Racking my brains on that one and cant think of any.......certainly no Lexus gets close....
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neither..
there are better jap cars..
Racking my brains on that one and cant think of any.......certainly no Lexus gets close....
Oh I think you'll find it does. Little legs. ;)
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Phaeton is far better than the Audi A6... It was designed to meet a very stringent requirement in luxury, so you get a lot of car for not a lot of money in comparison to certain other marques.... Trying to think of anything Japanese that reaches anything close to the Phaeton....
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neither..
there are better jap cars..
Racking my brains on that one and cant think of any.......certainly no Lexus gets close....
I would disagree.I would have had a Lexus LS400 over either of them,but the newer (LS430) is hideously ugly.
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I can't see any Lexus being able to contend with anything German :-\.
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I never play with the rules.. ;D
its been long time Germany started making "consumable" cars even in high segment..
personally I wouldnt like to spend most of my time and money in services if I have that budget..
Lexus,Infinity,Accord,Nissan are all more reliable ..
http://www.iseecars.com/cars/top-japanese-sedans-2011 (http://www.iseecars.com/cars/top-japanese-sedans-2011)
besides in my eyes, jap cars have better internal design than german cars on the avg with few exceptions
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phaeton 2 stars ;D
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/ (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/volkswagen/phaeton-2002/)
lexus 4 stars
from the site..
"Fast, comfortable and superbly refined saloon packed with sophisticated technology and luxury features. Painstaking build quality."
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/lexus/ls460-2006/ (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/lexus/ls460-2006/)
Infinity 4 stars
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/infiniti/m-2010/ (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/infiniti/m-2010/)
accord 4 stars
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/accord-2008/ (http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/honda/accord-2008/)
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I'd go for an Audi A8 ::)
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Or S8 ;)
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Went to Surrey rolling road day on Sat. Hsv uk organised, but there was an rs6 on the rollers as I arrived. 480bhp at the wheels, stock. :o
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Or S8 ;)
;D ;D
I hope a free fuel station is included also ;D :y
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Or S8 ;)
;D ;D
I hope a free fuel station is included also ;D :y
lexus 460 was also v8 :o ;D
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
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Yeh but for me, there is pretty much nothing Jap that ticks the boxes, there all so bland and uninteresting to drive.
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What engined Phaeton are you looking at V6, V10 or W12 :y :y :y :y :y :y
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suspect to compare realistically it will be V6 - the Phaeton V6 diesel is often referred to as "the sensible one" - running costs etc and depending on model/year may even be same engine in both A6 and Phaeton
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
I just bought myself a Jag ... not quite an XJ, but it does have a 6ltr V12 :D
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
I just bought myself a Jag ... not quite an XJ, but it does have a 6ltr V12 :D
Ooo do tell, at a rough guess an XJS?
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
I just bought myself a Jag ... not quite an XJ, but it does have a 6ltr V12 :D
Ooo do tell, at a rough guess an XJS?
Nah although I'd love an XJS, they still command a pretty penny price wise :(
It's a donor for the kit so it's going to get broken which, based on the pictures, will be a shame .. but: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260963824769
Just have to go and pick it up on Saturday :)
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For 600 quid thats not bad, bet it would fair quick!
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I'm looking forward to the drive home :) As long as it doesn't break down, otherwise it's a long way on the back of an AA truck ;D
Anyone want a V12? I only need the diff & axles ;)
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
I just bought myself a Jag ... not quite an XJ, but it does have a 6ltr V12 :D
Ooo do tell, at a rough guess an XJS?
Nah although I'd love an XJS, they still command a pretty penny price wise :(
It's a donor for the kit so it's going to get broken which, based on the pictures, will be a shame .. but: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260963824769
Just have to go and pick it up on Saturday :)
I think I would drive that around for a week or to just to make sure all is well before you get the gas axe out :D :D ;D
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I'm looking forward to the drive home :) As long as it doesn't break down, otherwise it's a long way on the back of an AA truck ;D
Anyone want a V12? I only need the diff & axles ;)
Would you split the engine? I might be interested in the lower half of the engine block :-X
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Why do you want half a Jag V12? You know you can't just bolt four Omega heads on top of it ;) ;D I might, though - no idea what old Jag engines are worth.. got to do some research there.
I think I would drive that around for a week or to just to make sure all is well before you get the gas axe out :D :D ;D
If I can get some temporary insurance cover for a reasonable enough price, I may tool about in it for a week or three :) But the Dax chassis turns up in three weeks and I'll want to get started!
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Yeh but for me, there is pretty much nothing Jap that ticks the boxes, there all so bland and uninteresting to drive.
sedans probably .. although v8 lexus wont be slow for daily drive..
however,
even a well tuned old supra can give you heart attack ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aBB6NE6_g&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6aBB6NE6_g&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssOGnfTTRw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wssOGnfTTRw&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO6MgKrUs_c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO6MgKrUs_c)
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
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Why do you want half a Jag V12?
See your PM :y
Any chance you can sandblast it too? :D
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Why do you want half a Jag V12?
See your PM :y
Any chance you can sandblast it too? :D
Don't sandblast it if you've got any aspirations of using it as an engine again.
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Why do you want half a Jag V12?
See your PM :y
Any chance you can sandblast it too? :D
Don't sandblast it if you've got any aspirations of using it as an engine again.
I reckon he wants a coffee table, ala Top Gear ;)
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Why do you want half a Jag V12?
See your PM :y
Any chance you can sandblast it too? :D
Don't sandblast it if you've got any aspirations of using it as an engine again.
I reckon he wants a coffee table, ala Top Gear ;)
I'd love one, not sure SWMBO would agree though :(
Could have sworn it was my flat ;D
I did vaguely look into it before, struggled to find anyone who would sand blast it
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
Nah, wrong engine for that - it's got to be a V8 and it's got to be a Ford.. but then I have two FEs sitting here, so ;D
A friend of mine did mention something about dropping it into a 250 GT California replica with ITBs or (my choice and yours) Webers :y
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
Nah, wrong engine for that - it's got to be a V8 and it's got to be a Ford.. but then I have two FEs sitting here, so ;D
A friend of mine did mention something about dropping it into a 250 GT California replica with ITBs or (my choice and yours) Webers :y
Depends how strong your floorboards are. At least the Jag lump is aluminium, so potentially not quite such a boat-anchor.
It was painful enough running a 4 pot on Webers back in 2003 when I went injected. Hate to think what it's like now, with 3 times as much engine. ;D
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
PMSL, do you know how heavy they are!
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Depends how strong your floorboards are. At least the Jag lump is aluminium, so potentially not quite such a boat-anchor.
As I just said to someone who shall remain nameless - if I was to have something on the floor then either the Jag lump or (as it's more common and cheap as chips blown up) a Rover V8..
It was painful enough running a 4 pot on Webers back in 2003 when I went injected. Hate to think what it's like now, with 3 times as much engine. ;D
Yeah, talk of single digit economy isn't uncommon on the Cobra forum.. although most people get low teens on a cruise ;D I'm hoping the 2.88 diff from the V12 coupled with a 6 speed box and injection will lead to some kind of economy and a car with a useful first gear (useful for something other than clouds of tyre smoke, anyway ;D)
Still.. V12 on Webers in a California rep? That'd be a sound track to die for!
P.S. Mark - I'm willing to bet it's under 600lb for the Jag V12? I'm putting an iron block boat anchor in the Dax ;) (granted slightly lighter as it's got aluminium heads & intake, but it's still a big ol' iron block)
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
PMSL, do you know how heavy they are!
It's a Cobra. Does it matter? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
;)
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I'd go A8 or Jag XJ, always been those two for me.
I just bought myself a Jag ... not quite an XJ, but it does have a 6ltr V12 :D
Ooo do tell, at a rough guess an XJS?
Nah although I'd love an XJS, they still command a pretty penny price wise :(
It's a donor for the kit so it's going to get broken which, based on the pictures, will be a shame .. but: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260963824769
Just have to go and pick it up on Saturday :)
I had the Daimler version about 12 years ago, Daimler Double Six :y If you think the plugs on an Omega are a pain to do just wait until you do the rear ones on that ::) ;D
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Lob half a dozen Weber downdraughts on it and put it in the Dax. :-*
PMSL, do you know how heavy they are!
It's a Cobra. Does it matter? (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26795734/Smilies/allrun.gif)
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Ooh you bitch ;) ;D
Fair point, though - with Jag running gear.. the diff weighs as much as the T56 'box ;D nearly gave myself a hernia when I picked it up.
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I had the Daimler version about 12 years ago, Daimler Double Six :y If you think the plugs on an Omega are a pain to do just wait until you do the rear ones on that ::) ;D
Fear not Pete, the car won't stay in one piece long enough for me to need to change the plugs ;D
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suspect to compare realistically it will be V6 - the Phaeton V6 diesel is often referred :y to as "the sensible one" - running costs etc and depending on model/year may even be same engine in both A6 and Phaeton
Well it doesn't matter to me what it was v6,v10 or w12 VW Phaeton all the way :y :y
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I seem to recall a post here that mentionet shocks for phaeton were ridiculously expensive.
Phaeton looks great but audi maintenance costs and spare parts availability are definitely better so...
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the Phaeton shock suspension issue is confined to pre 2004 models on the basis that they no longer manufacture the suspension struts and therefore if buying new you have to change all 4 plus the controller. On later models there is not the same problem. A fully comprehensive warranty from VW/Mondial after the 3 year intial period is £880pa with no excess. If you do not want to pay £880 a year then this can be varied to a cut down critical components cover again with VW for around £330 with a £250 excess. Warranty Direct is £1600 at the top level with main delaer option selected.
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I am also just about to start messing with this to check what the VW dealer is supposed to do/change on servicing and schedules etc
https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/showHome.do;jsessionid=0DFB1BC38CF944150FCA64B1C8416BC2.ASTPVWE1 (https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/showHome.do;jsessionid=0DFB1BC38CF944150FCA64B1C8416BC2.ASTPVWE1)