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[SIR Philbutt]

Already had my rant about this  .... Glad to see i'm not alone 

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=99854.0

[Kevin Wood]

why do people wear suinglasses when its raining

When they have 20:20 vision yet the rain is getting in their eyes.

Oh, Or did you mean people with a roof on their car?

[paul.lovejoy]

why do people wear suinglasses when its raining

When they have 20:20 vision yet the rain is getting in their eyes.

Oh, Or did you mean people with a roof on their car?

people with lids on thier tins

[mantahatch]

I always leave tarmac and tyres and a bit more when pulling up in a queue. Then you get some gloit pulling up as close as possible behind you. Retards. I then pull forward to allow a gap (so I don't get rear ended if they do), then they pull forward so close they can lick my rear bumper. I hate that. Are they thick or what? I'm tempted to put the hazards on when the lights go green, and stay put so that they would have to reverse to carry on.

People do some sort of stupid manoeuvre only a retard would think is ok, nearly wipe you out, then gave you a black look/threaten violence/give verbal abuse etc as if it's your fault!

If they hit my car, that'll be that. It'll be damaged then, so it won't matter if I back up and ram them a few (hundred) times to teach them a lesson.

Sorry Geoffr but that is one of the most annoying habits I encounter on a daily basis. I go through a section of road with 3 sets of lights very close together. I pull up apply handbrake so my brake lightd don't dazzle the car behind and then the driver in front pulls forward another car length leaving me looking like an idiot. 

Can't see why that's annoying. Why does the driver infront who pulls forward make you look like an idiot? You'd look more of an idiot having to reverse to carry on if he broke down, or rear ending him after being rear ended yourself. Anyway, you wouldn't pass your test pulling up so close behind someone. I prefer to keep a safe distance, just like the Highway Code says so 

In anycase, the people who do pull forward so close that they can sniff my exhaust are generally mindless retards who are either on the phone, gassing to their fat mate in the passenger seat, stuffing their face with a pasty or some other activity that requires all their brainpower, hence having none left to actually concentrate on the task in hand of controlling a big lump of metal, which seems to have become secondary.

So before you tell me that's one of the most annoying habits you encounter on a daily basis, tell the millions of other people who do this, first. Thanks 

OK, without trying to annoy you further, the distance between som of these lights can fit mavbe 10 car lengths. If everybody leaves a massive gap only about 6 or 7 cars get accross the lights. So I pull up apply handbrake and you then pull forward. Leaving a cars length between me and you. The cars waiting to get accross the lights think I am the one leaving an unneccesary large gap preventing another motorist getting accross the lights. I then have to pull forward again to allow another car accross the lights. By me pulling forward again the original person who pulled forward has gained nothing, I still end up rather close to your exhaust. I would add we are talking about very slow moving nose to tail driving here. And I have only ever seen 1 accident at the first set of lights, never any accidents at the other lights as it is so slow moving. IMHO it just polite to get as many cars accross the lights safely in the smallest amount of space possible.

Yes a car can breakdown in front of you, but how often does that happen ? It has never in my driving life happened directly in front of me. Been driving from the age of 17 to now (46) and leaving a normal gap just allows manouevering like pulling out of parking space.

This post is not intended to annoy you, I am sure we will never agree on it. I was just trying to give you an opinion from someone who is effected by those actions. 

[OOMV6]

Cars are of course faster. Driving styles are terrible. i'm fairly sure a big amount of people have no concept of breaking distances! 

True. The single most frightening thing for me.

I always leave tarmac and tyres and a bit more when pulling up in a queue. Then you get some gloit pulling up as close as possible behind you. Retards. I then pull forward to allow a gap (so I don't get rear ended if they do), then they pull forward so close they can lick my rear bumper. I hate that. Are they thick or what? I'm tempted to put the hazards on when the lights go green, and stay put so that they would have to reverse to carry on.

People do some sort of stupid manoeuvre only a retard would think is ok, nearly wipe you out, then gave you a black look/threaten violence/give verbal abuse etc as if it's your fault!

If they hit my car, that'll be that. It'll be damaged then, so it won't matter if I back up and ram them a few (hundred) times to teach them a lesson.

Second most frightening thing. Attitudes like that  

To elaborate.
Many bad drivers out there. They do things that annoy. In fact, driving standards generally are terrible.

Remember. You ain't gonna be able to change THEIR habits. Live with it. Accept it. If you get annoyed, and yes, I do sometimes, that will only add to the bad driving on the road. This time, you.

And the third most frightening thing is people like you who take things in the literal sense and can't relate to the true meaning.

Thanks for that lesson in wisdom 

Bloody hell!!!  Come and give me a driving lesson please dad!

Certainly wasn't taken literally.
What I am getting at is the general mood, the aggression, the "the every other road user is a knob", the sense of "the others are not doing what I want them to do so they are stupid, non-concentrating fat chavs who should not have a license". I agree, there are lots of those on the roads, but when everybody starts getting aggressive because someone else had done something slightly annoying, it makes for even more unsafe roads.
Something annoys you, fine - but you also should to accept that you annoy others, such as Mantahatch. Maybe you don't understand why what you do annoys, but it does. Maybe others, like me, don't understand how a car close behind in a queue can annoy you. It does annoy you, so ok, let's leave it at that.
Yeah, of course, I have my pet hates, like everyone - driving too close at higher speeds, no use of indicators or using indicators as a right to perform a certain maneuver. And if I got annoyed everytime this happened I would be annoyed every morning and every evening. Fun, yeah right. 
What I am driving at is the strange metamorphosis that overcomes so many people once they drive out on the open road.

[OOMV6]

Anybody got views on todays driving I think its getting faster

I disagree. I think its getting slower over the past 6 or 7 years.  I even changed my commute route, as my average speed, on the MID, had dropped to below 30mph...  ...now remember, I tend to drive fairly briskly when the situation allows, esp not on my commute, so that shows how slow the journey had become.

When I first moved here, I used to be able to zip along the A roads to work, probably slightly above the NSL . Over time, it became you'd never get above 50mph. Then the 50mph signs went up (from NSL), and overnight, everyone drove at 40mph...  ...then 30mph...  ...now you get agricultural vehicles getting frustrated with the speeds.


Speed aside, the quality of the driving has deteriorated dramtically, esp in the last 10-15yrs.  OK, I work in MK, where most drivers you meet probably have no licence anyway, so I daily see appalling drivers, but we now have a combination of retards who think the road is theirs (reps, jnr manager, who in the 80s had Sierras and Chavaliers, but now have 3/5 series), and tosspots who believe they are sensible, but refuse to use anything but the middle lane on the M40, due to penile length issues.

Me too.
Cameras, volume of traffic to name just 2 reasons.

[jonnycool]

I'm a very calm person 99% of the time, and that doesn't change in the car. I really enjoy driving, and if I had the opportunity to drive around the world, I'd give it a go... I just don't understand these people who turn from mild-mannered into raging maniacs behind the wheel 

[jimac]

People not using all lanes of a motorway how they're designed to be used (slow, overtaking, fast driving)

It was "Driving, overtaking, overtaking" when I took my test..

I'm pretty sure it was fast driving when i took my test in about 2003

I'm surprised you passed then. 

The rule is, and always has been, that you drive in the leftmost lane unless overtaking a slower vehicle.  You return to the left lane when you have completed the overtaking manoeuvre. There is no such thing as a "fast lane" on a motorway.

[dan-eboy]

Well i'm sure that's what it was, but regardless i use the lanes properly and it annoys me when people don't, especially people sitting in the middle lane! - MOVE OVER!

[Martian]

I always leave tarmac and tyres and a bit more when pulling up in a queue. Then you get some gloit pulling up as close as possible behind you

My old lady does that, and it gets right on my tits.
Back in 82 I was taught to leave a gap that allowed me to read the number plate of the car in front, but that doesn't always work with modern cars so I now adopt the tyres & tarmac approach.

I think its getting slower over the past 6 or 7 years.

Definitely.

People not using all lanes of a motorway how they're designed to be used (slow, overtaking, fast driving)

No such thing
30 years ago the rule was "Keep left unless overtaking", and I do believe that same rule applies today.

Any so called '4x4's' which aren't covered in mud (usually with a woman behind the wheel!)

We never felt the need to go mud plugging in ours, we bought it because it had 7 seats and I could get all my work tools in it along with any materials we needed for work (ie, 3m lengths of trunking). It also had the distinct advantage of traversing extreme weather conditions (eg, the january snow) with ease.

i use the lanes properly and it annoys me when people don't, especially people sitting in the middle lane! - MOVE OVER!

If someone is hogging the middle lane, you can always use your "fast driving" (L3 to the rest of us) lane to overtake before moving back to your "slow" (L1 to the rest of us) lane. 

[dan-eboy]

I always leave tarmac and tyres and a bit more when pulling up in a queue. Then you get some gloit pulling up as close as possible behind you

My old lady does that, and it gets right on my tits.
Back in 82 I was taught to leave a gap that allowed me to read the number plate of the car in front, but that doesn't always work with modern cars so I now adopt the tyres & tarmac approach.

I think its getting slower over the past 6 or 7 years.

Definitely.

People not using all lanes of a motorway how they're designed to be used (slow, overtaking, fast driving)

No such thing
30 years ago the rule was "Keep left unless overtaking", and I do believe that same rule applies today.

Any so called '4x4's' which aren't covered in mud (usually with a woman behind the wheel!)

We never felt the need to go mud plugging in ours, we bought it because it had 7 seats and I could get all my work tools in it along with any materials we needed for work (ie, 3m lengths of trunking). It also had the distinct advantage of traversing extreme weather conditions (eg, the january snow) with ease.

i use the lanes properly and it annoys me when people don't, especially people sitting in the middle lane! - MOVE OVER!

If someone is hogging the middle lane, you can always use your "fast driving" (L3 to the rest of us) lane to overtake before moving back to your "slow" (L1 to the rest of us) lane. 

That's how everyone should use it anyway as you said, but they don't and if people were'nt hogging the middle lane then i could use L2 to overtake and move back into L1, leaving people who want to drive faster to have the L3 lane, meaning faster moving traffic and safer for everyone.  As far as pulling up close to the car in front i don't see the problem, i was taught the tyres and tarmac, but don't because if everyone did it, were there are lots of traffic lights you'd only get about half the cars through causing more traffic jams.  If people payed attention you shouldn't get hit up the arse anyway and if the car in front breaks down, just get the 2 cars behind to reverse back a bit and hey presto!  I'm sure they don't break down as much as the extra amount of cars makes worthwhile.
And i'm not talking stupidly close before some smart alec replies but 18 inches is fine as far as i'm concerned.

[jimac]

I always leave tarmac and tyres and a bit more when pulling up in a queue. Then you get some gloit pulling up as close as possible behind you

My old lady does that, and it gets right on my tits.
Back in 82 I was taught to leave a gap that allowed me to read the number plate of the car in front, but that doesn't always work with modern cars so I now adopt the tyres & tarmac approach.

I think its getting slower over the past 6 or 7 years.

Definitely.

People not using all lanes of a motorway how they're designed to be used (slow, overtaking, fast driving)

No such thing
30 years ago the rule was "Keep left unless overtaking", and I do believe that same rule applies today.

Any so called '4x4's' which aren't covered in mud (usually with a woman behind the wheel!)

We never felt the need to go mud plugging in ours, we bought it because it had 7 seats and I could get all my work tools in it along with any materials we needed for work (ie, 3m lengths of trunking). It also had the distinct advantage of traversing extreme weather conditions (eg, the january snow) with ease.

i use the lanes properly and it annoys me when people don't, especially people sitting in the middle lane! - MOVE OVER!

If someone is hogging the middle lane, you can always use your "fast driving" (L3 to the rest of us) lane to overtake before moving back to your "slow" (L1 to the rest of us) lane. 

That's how everyone should use it anyway as you said, but they don't and if people were'nt hogging the middle lane then i could use L2 to overtake and move back into L1, leaving people who want to drive faster to have the L3 lane, meaning faster moving traffic and safer for everyone.  As far as pulling up close to the car in front i don't see the problem, i was taught the tyres and tarmac, but don't because if everyone did it, were there are lots of traffic lights you'd only get about half the cars through causing more traffic jams.  If people payed attention you shouldn't get hit up the arse anyway and if the car in front breaks down, just get the 2 cars behind to reverse back a bit and hey presto!  I'm sure they don't break down as much as the extra amount of cars makes worthwhile.
And i'm not talking stupidly close before some smart alec replies but 18 inches is fine as far as i'm concerned.

As in "overtaking", like you could also do if L2 is occupied and L3 is open.

[YZ250]

The way I see it is:

I want to go from A to B at a reasonable pace and everybody else is in my way. 

(intended to be read tongue in cheek obviously)

[Martian]

As far as pulling up close to the car in front i don't see the problem, i was taught the tyres and tarmac, but don't because if everyone did it, were there are lots of traffic lights you'd only get about half the cars through causing more traffic jams.

The tyres & tarmac approach is a much smaller gap than what any reasonably competent driver would leave when following a car anyway.

If people payed attention you shouldn't get hit up the arse anyway

Doesn't matter how much attention you pay, you still need to leave a suitable gap that allows for thinking & braking distance.

and if the car in front breaks down, just get the 2 cars behind to reverse back a bit and hey presto!

Aside from the fact that there will be no room to reverse if everyone follows your concept of being up the arse of the car in front, how much longer do you think that will take as opposed to simply going full lock and moving around the obstacle?

And i'm not talking stupidly close before some smart alec replies but 18 inches is fine as far as i'm concerned.

Until someone rear ends you, which in turn results in you being shunted in to the car in front of you.

[Kevin Wood]

Until someone rear ends you, which in turn results in you being shunted in to the car in front of you.

Agreed. I was that car a year ago.

That'll teach me to stop for an oncoming bus.