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[miggy]

Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today

According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.

[waspy]

According to him........... He's good for Britain  

[theowletman]

Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today

According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.

Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.

[Bacon Butty Man]

Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today

According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.

Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.

i was thinking of moving to Bosnia and becoming a citizen then coming over here in my Mig as an immigrant, can i have a car, house, loan, job, credit card, when i claim assylum

[albitz]

Live and let live..............thats me, but Gordon Brown made a comment today

According to him..........Imagration is good for Britian.

Latest report from one of the most respected commons committees is that immigration should be strictly controlled as the amount of benefits paid and the extra load on schools, hospitals etc far outweighs the economic advantages.

if they had said this 10 years ago it would have been useful

[Richie London]

i was in screwfix today and there were 6 foreigners buying decorating tools, overalls scrapers the lot. more british jobs gone
  

richie

[Albatross]

Two letters; E and U

Interestingly enough if you go to Ireland, Spain, Lithuania or Poland they are now littered with big blue signs with a ring of gold stars where our money is funding major developments.

Check out the figures on the net about what each member state puts in and takes out of the EU pot.

It's a big exercise to bring us all to the same level, some will have to come up, guess where the rest of us (the net contributers) are going to meet them in the middle.

[albitz]

you mean the republic of ireland i presume?

[Richie London]

i have been self employed for 25 yrs now. about 5 yrs ago my boss who i had worked for roughly 4 yrs took on 2 shopfitting joiners for 6.50 an hr, the shop we refurbished took about 2 months. after that he had no work lined up for a few weeks so i was told. he kept them on at the next contract so he got 2 bolkes for the price of one. this has happened a few times. ive struggled for about 3 yrs now to fiind work so i basically do about 8 months a yr now.
i know people all over the country in the same position as me

what can i say about the labour goverment?

richie

[albitz]

the only people who i can think of who gain anything from this recent wave of mass immigration are employers who want cheap labour,but what will happen if we now head into a full blown recession and millions of people end up unemployed ? it could create a lot of bad feeling or worse.

[Timbuk]

the only people who i can think of who gain anything from this recent wave of mass immigration are employers who want cheap labour,but what will happen if we now head into a full blown recession and millions of people end up unemployed ? it could create a lot of bad feeling or worse.

I HAD nothing against immigration and foreign workers and indeed have a few friends that are such people, but when your wife breaks off with one such person your views change somewhat

[Jay w]

i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....

These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.

Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.

The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.

For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and  does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.

All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.

look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.

In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........

i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work

i'll get me coat

[miggy]

i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....

These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.

Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.

The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.

For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and  does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.

All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.

look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.

In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........

i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work

i'll get me coat

Or will take the lowest rate, i have experience of this happening.

And dont get your coat.....i am coming around with a length of rope.......do you have a tree in your garden

[Albatross]

i could very well get flamed for this........in fact i am pretty sure i will, but hell, here goes.....

These people come to Britian for a number of reasons, 30/40 years ago this very same conversation was taking place, except that time we were referring to Asian/Chinese/Pakistan people, and again the complaint was that they were taking our jobs.

Thos guys grafted, as a collective they took a lot of crap from the british public, today some of the richest people in the UK are from that ethnic group, they just got on with it, they were focused and had something that a lot of people in the UK don't have today...........
a work ethic.

The poles, bosnians, russians, they are no different.

For example, i have a friend who runs a business, him, and two other guys, one is a immigrant, the other a local, they get paid the same money and do the same job, but the immigrant is there 30 mins before he needs to be and doesn't finish until he is told by his boss to go home, he is hard working, does an excellent job and  does it a lot quicker than the local who is always late, does a crap job and always finds someway to do as little as possible.

All they are doing is trying to live, i don't dispute that there are possibly too many in the UK today, but some of the people in the UK believe they have a god given right to have a job over these people, they don't, the job goes to the person who is best suited to doing it.

look at the jobs these people take? they are jobs that many others will not do, jobs that people consider menial, and they do them with pride, why? because they are making something of their life.

In 20 years time don't be surprised if we start seeing poles and bosnians on the rich list........

i feel for those who have lost out and are grafters, i have in the past, but market forces dictate who gets the work

i'll get me coat

No need to get your coat in my opinion, I think that what you say is, in part, true, but is still a generalisation. We all could cite examples to undermine your argument.

I refer back to my earlier statement:

"It's a big exercise to bring us all to the same level, some will have to come up, guess where the rest of us (the net contributers) are going to meet them in the middle."

We are just feeling the pinch of the market forces and this effect above. This will ultimately have to happen on a Global scale too.

Let's reflect on the fact that something like 90% of the world's wealth lies in the hands of a ridiculously small proportion of the population. I'll be bold and make an assumption here that, as Miggy drivers, not many of us fall into the category of "Super-Rich" and therefore feel that this is not fair and the wealth should be more evenly distributed.

We are part of the masses that what is left is going to be more evenly shared amongst.

Just another thought, and here I know I'll get shot down: Perhaps one of the reasons that the UK had a head start on most of the rest of the world was our hand in the Slave Trade which then also led on to Colonialism.

And yes, I did mean the Republic of Ireland.

[Vamps]

From some figures I saw today, don't ask, I would be better off as an asylum seeker.