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[Minispud]

This will make you thank your parents, that you live in the Uk and not New Zealand.
   I've just been watching "Motorway Patrol" on Men & Motors, there was a copper in New Zealand that pulled over a Evo 7/8 not sure which, for doing 169 kmh in a 100 kmh limit  , it had a $4,000 suspension kit on it, which lowered it very nicely, but this copper said that it made the car very unsafe to drive and gave the driver a "Pink sticker" for the window screen, which means that the car can only be moved via a tow truck.  

  Obviously this copper might know all about speeding etc etc, but when did he become an engineer, he had no idea what he was talking about. He thinks that because the Evo was lower, the handling was going to be bad and unsafe, how very wrong he is. As we all know in this country, if you lower the car, with the right stuff, it's handling will be much better.
  This program make for good watching, as half of the coppers have no idea on some of the stuff they give out tickets for  

[dad1uk]

This is what a uniform does to some people.

[hotel21]

Never saw the show.

As to comments, Cop was of opinion that the car was not as standard.

He will have binned the car, requiring a test at an alternate location - test station - so that someone who IS qualified can say that it is or is not safe....

Again, please think about the actions and WHY......

If the car is safely modded, then all happy and roses.....

ps - the same can/will/does happen here, as and when required....  

[Kevin Wood]

Some countries have pretty draconian laws about what you can modify on a car. We're pretty easy going here. As long as it passes an MOT and hasn't had major surgery to the vehicle structure you're OK.

When you think about it, cars are now type approved, so change anything in the specification and technically you've voided that approval because the car no longer matches the type specification.

I suspect that, rather than forming an engineering opinion on the car, the officer had simply identified modifications, and that's not allowed.

If that ever happens here there'll be hell to pay.

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

Some countries have pretty draconian laws about what you can modify on a car. We're pretty easy going here. As long as it passes an MOT and hasn't had major surgery to the vehicle structure you're OK.

When you think about it, cars are now type approved, so change anything in the specification and technically you've voided that approval because the car no longer matches the type specification.

I suspect that, rather than forming an engineering opinion on the car, the officer had simply identified modifications, and that's not allowed.

If that ever happens here there'll be hell to pay.

Kevin

It is happening and we can't stop it, EU want to force it through, it was discussed over 20 years ago with regard to motorcycles and would kill the accessory industry dead.

BTW complusary headlights in Europe soon

[albitz]

This is what a uniform does to some people.

or maybe he saw a modified car,mangled and full of mangled people the week before,they do see some sights that most of us dont . :-/

[Jay w]

 you have also got to remember that there are some countries where modifying a car is an expensive and sometimes troublesome thing to do.....

Some european member states have rules that include engine swaps, you can only do like for like, no performance upgrades. Germany has the TUV which from what i have read is a bit if a pain to pass with non homolgated parts fitted to the car.
Not aware of NZ's rules but this might be something that the owner has fallen foul of.

Personally i would like to see tightening up of modified goods even to the level of TUV, it would ensure better quality goods and each part that is produced has the have a TUV certificate that can be then presented as proof

[Martin_1962]

you have also got to remember that there are some countries where modifying a car is an expensive and sometimes troublesome thing to do.....

Some european member states have rules that include engine swaps, you can only do like for like, no performance upgrades. Germany has the TUV which from what i have read is a bit if a pain to pass with non homolgated parts fitted to the car.
Not aware of NZ's rules but this might be something that the owner has fallen foul of.

Personally i would like to see tightening up of modified goods even to the level of TUV, it would ensure better quality goods and each part that is produced has the have a TUV certificate that can be then presented as proof

This would be a real pain if you know what you are doing, for example LPG conversions could be classed as requiring this sort of gumpf and it would make it prohibitively expensive

[hotel21]

I prefer the analogy of examinining a Civic/clit/whatever whilst upside down in a field to see that the springs had been sawn through to lower it and then held in place by cableties....

Yes, it happened.

Yes, people died.

Yes, I prohibit vehicles that have been modded that i am unhappy with so that VOSA can verify all is happy and wonderfull...

As a parent, i welcome this...

And I DO NOT apologise for it....

[Kevin Wood]

Problem is, any tightening up of regulation (and it's happening thanks to europe) would also turn into a "jobs for the boys" opportunity and before you know it you wouldn't be allowed to open your own bonnet unless you're a "registered automotive technician" who has done a week of training and pays a couple of hundred quid a year to some regulatory body.

I don't see any problems with the status quo, tbh. If a car's dangerous it won't get an MOT. If it isn't, why should I have to wade through red tape to maintain it myself (or even build it - try registering a kit car in France)?

Kevin

[hotel21]

Problem is, any tightening up of regulation (and it's happening thanks to europe) would also turn into a "jobs for the boys" opportunity and before you know it you wouldn't be allowed to open your own bonnet unless you're a "registered automotive technician" who has done a week of training and pays a couple of hundred quid a year to some regulatory body.

I don't see any problems with the status quo, tbh. If a car's dangerous it won't get an MOT. If it isn't, why should I have to wade through red tape to maintain it myself (or even build it - try registering a kit car in France)?

Kevin

True....  But its 12 mionths between MOT's.  What other method is there to examine vehicles in the inetrim??

[Jay w]

Some countries have pretty draconian laws about what you can modify on a car. We're pretty easy going here. As long as it passes an MOT and hasn't had major surgery to the vehicle structure you're OK.

When you think about it, cars are now type approved, so change anything in the specification and technically you've voided that approval because the car no longer matches the type specification.

I suspect that, rather than forming an engineering opinion on the car, the officer had simply identified modifications, and that's not allowed.

If that ever happens here there'll be hell to pay.

Kevin

It is happening and we can't stop it, EU want to force it through, it was discussed over 20 years ago with regard to motorcycles and would kill the accessory industry dead.



BTW complusary headlights in Europe soon

no it wouldn't......

It would ensure the goods were fit for purpose and fit for the vehicle they were being fitted to.

I may sound like a right old killjoy, i am not, i would rather pay good money for items that were designed to fit my car and have been type approved, from a consumers point of view it gives confidence.

Having seen some of the crap on the roads with stick on tat, bug exhausts and bodywork that is rotten to hell its about time something was done to deal with it.
I feel for the police at times, i drink with a couple of traffic guys in Plymouth, they are petrolheads and can spot a shitter when they see one (i'm talking real dogs here not cars that are modified in bad taste) they were telling me if they have an MOT, Tax and insurance then it an be very difficult to get these cars off the road, if any of the above are missing then it can be like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Jay w]

you have also got to remember that there are some countries where modifying a car is an expensive and sometimes troublesome thing to do.....

Some european member states have rules that include engine swaps, you can only do like for like, no performance upgrades. Germany has the TUV which from what i have read is a bit if a pain to pass with non homolgated parts fitted to the car.
Not aware of NZ's rules but this might be something that the owner has fallen foul of.

Personally i would like to see tightening up of modified goods even to the level of TUV, it would ensure better quality goods and each part that is produced has the have a TUV certificate that can be then presented as proof

This would be a real pain if you know what you are doing, for example LPG conversions could be classed as requiring this sort of gumpf and it would make it prohibitively expensive

the kits that i have bought all have TUV approval certs with them, once fitted they are then approved by an LPGA approved fitter, that as far as the law goes is an approved installation to a prescribed standard using goods that have been certified as fit for purpose

[Minispud]

I prefer the analogy of examinining a Civic/clit/whatever whilst upside down in a field to see that the springs had been sawn through to lower it and then held in place by cableties....

Yes, it happened.

Yes, people died.

Yes, I prohibit vehicles that have been modded that i am unhappy with so that VOSA can verify all is happy and wonderfull...

As a parent, i welcome this...

And I DO NOT apologise for it....

 This car had a proper kit on it (Coilovers & 2 1/4" springs) not some backstreet hack up job, with a hacksaw and cableties.

[hotel21]

I prefer the analogy of examinining a Civic/clit/whatever whilst upside down in a field to see that the springs had been sawn through to lower it and then held in place by cableties....

Yes, it happened.

Yes, people died.

Yes, I prohibit vehicles that have been modded that i am unhappy with so that VOSA can verify all is happy and wonderfull...

As a parent, i welcome this...

And I DO NOT apologise for it....

 This car had a proper kit on it (Coilovers & 2 1/4" springs) not some backstreet hack up job, with a hacksaw and cableties.

fair enough.  Was he 1) able to see that at the roadside and 2) qualified to say that was all good?  Personally, I would rather that the man from VOSA who has all the tickets and qualifications regarding testing took any flack, rather than me.....