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[feeutfo]

I don't agree with TheBoy personally. It IS "possible" to change the timing belt without the locking kit. ....

  You're brave ....... I didn't think anyone was brave enough to say that out loud!

I actually agree with you ...... plenty of V6s have had their cam belts changed without a locking kit. 

....Including the first time I did my 2.5cdx. In my pre forum days, because I didn't know any better.

It's quite difficult to do without the kit, hence the op's questions.
 Then the next time your prepared, and wish to god you'd used a kit, as its SOOOOO much easier. And quicker. Not to mention, about a million times more accurate.

I've had a kit each time I've done mine ....... 

...light weight.

[Webby the Bear]

I've only done one. And i wouldnt have wanted to do it without the kit. if you knock the cam sprockets whilst trying to put the belt on theyll spring round. i cant see (although i dont have aby exact proof) that using ties will help much 

[car5car]

Picture of locked sprockets
http://s213.beta.photobucket.com/user/car6car/media/HamsterJennysprocket007_zpsb6213b5b.jpg.html?sort=6&o=0

[feeutfo]

Pmsl, right hand cam is already out just looking at the back cam belt cover.

[tunnie]

interesting locking kit!

As above, right cam looks like its at 3 O'Clock 

[Webby the Bear]

Picture of locked sprockets
http://s213.beta.photobucket.com/user/car6car/media/HamsterJennysprocket007_zpsb6213b5b.jpg.html?sort=6&o=0

Wow!  This is now my new screen saver.

Buy a lock kit. Then re-sell it if you need to. This will not work though.

[car5car]

Pmsl, right hand cam is already out just looking at the back cam belt cover.

You are right. It doesn't matter at the moment. Crank is 60 degrees off to protect valves.
Belt has marks. After belt is installed correctly on sprockets, sprockets are adjusted by idler pulleys.

[feeutfo]

A wind up surely

[feeutfo]

Pmsl, right hand cam is already out just looking at the back cam belt cover.

You are right. It doesn't matter at the moment. Crank is 60 degrees off to protect valves.
Belt has marks. After belt is installed correctly on sprockets, sprockets are adjusted by idler pulleys.

adjusted to match what? You don't have a gauge. I have to say I can't see a point in asking the question in your title, then ignoring the advice.

...other than to post that pic.

[Webby the Bear]

i think....

what the op is saying is that he has the crank at 60o BTDC therefore at the moment his valves are protected.

he's then getting the camshafts lined up.

then will put the crank at TDC.

Then fit belt.

However. as said before, even if you did get the cam ''notches'' lined up you still could be well out.

[car5car]

Pmsl, right hand cam is already out just looking at the back cam belt cover.

You are right. It doesn't matter at the moment. Crank is 60 degrees off to protect valves.
Belt has marks. After belt is installed correctly on sprockets, sprockets are adjusted by idler pulleys.

adjusted to match what? You don't have a gauge. I have to say I can't see a point in asking the question in your title, then ignoring the advice.

...other than to post that pic.

Sprockets adjusted to marks on rear cover.

[feeutfo]

Pmsl, right hand cam is already out just looking at the back cam belt cover.

You are right. It doesn't matter at the moment. Crank is 60 degrees off to protect valves.
Belt has marks. After belt is installed correctly on sprockets, sprockets are adjusted by idler pulleys.

adjusted to match what? You don't have a gauge. I have to say I can't see a point in asking the question in your title, then ignoring the advice.

...other than to post that pic.

Sprockets adjusted to marks on rear cover.

...it does need to be more accurate than that. As does the crank mark.

Add up small errors on all those variables, it can lead to a MUCH bigger error.

[Entwood]

Has to be a wind up .. all that tying up and then saying it matters not as the crank is at 60 BDTC which actually makes the tying up pointless ...... and that is forgetting the simple fact that 3 cable ties in the right places would tie it up beyond any movement ....

Why go to so much effort to look stupid  

[Elite Pete]

Why ask the questions if you already know the answer

[TheBoy]

You really cannot do this job without the locking and timing kit. Don't even try.


(Yes, for the purists, you'll likely get it within 2 teeth out - more than 2 teeth out is bent valaves - but that is not really doing the job...)