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albitz

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« Reply #45 on: 31 January 2013, 18:50:14 »

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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #46 on: 31 January 2013, 18:50:41 »

How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?

The UN has recently published a report on ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East by the Religion of Peace since WWII and it runs into millions and also the current mass persecution of Christians in Africa which is getting worse.

Most immigration does not pose a threat but one section does which could lead to a Yugoslavia situation at sometime in the future. Moderates aren't a problem, unfortunately it will be the radicals that set the agenda, like they are with their patrols at the moment in parts of London and with what happened in 7/7. I would suggest you look up the Arab words for secular countries and what they call means for the rest. Non-Moslem states are basically called countries we are at war with.

You might argue that it will be alright in the end, but equally on the evidence I have seen I will argue it will not and why take the risk?
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #48 on: 31 January 2013, 19:13:12 »

How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?


Many!  the Catholics wanted to remove the "Bastard" English Queen, Elizabeth I, and change England forever. They, who consisted of many immigrants from outside England, plotted and maneuvered over the years of her reign, with Mary Queen of Scots a victim, and the Spanish Armada that was intended to meet up with English Catholics and force protestants out (by killing them!), destroyed.  Over many years over the reigns of the various monarchs of the 17th and 18th centuries, constant change was threatened and achieved by either the Catholics or Protestants trying to overwhelm the other with very real assistance from enemies abroad, who moved across the channel i.e. the French and Spanish.  The 1688 Glorious Revolution was the occasion of the English Protestants peacefully forcing out King James II, a Catholic who forced change on English Protestants, and replacing him with a Protestant William Of Orange from Holland to reverse the changes forced on the population of England.  With new German monarchs, the George's from Hanover, and Victoria coming from the same immigrant blood line, coupling up to Prince Albert, with the Royal household speaking German far more than they spoke English, change repeatedly took place, but it was a far more peaceful affair accepted by most.  With the growth of the British Empire encouraged migration of the English, to dominate foreigners and make money, with immigration bringing in the workers to assist with the Industrial Revolution.

That is the history, which at times was scary for the (English) people living through those times, but look how the British have collectively achieved, and will continue to do so if not too many of us maintain the "Little Englander" approach to the opportunities that await us.

Pessimism never did win anything, and never will for England and Great Britain generally. :D :D :D ;)

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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #49 on: 31 January 2013, 19:26:36 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RaKpf4Mhg4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YXj9Jh9Rrs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kczkDnMgboU


Frankly it continues to amaze me how so many who purport not to believe in God or an afterlife, with Christian beliefs, can become so scared and agitated by a so called Islamic Revolution!

If everyone is really worried, show your true Christian beliefs, respecting the Christian ways and even populate the (almost empty) churches like never before.

However, you are going through the fear that the English went through that caused the various Crusades.  Look where that got us, with even a potentially great English King, Richard I, ending up dead after spending no more than six months in the Kingdom due to him fighting yet another Crusade!  Before anyone says, I know that the vast majority of Muslims in the 12th Century were "out there" in the Middle East and not here in England, but they are no more of a threat to us now as they were then.


Muslims believe in God, heaven, and Jesus, as a prophet, and a book of statements concerning how we should lead our lives to achieve salvation that is so similar to the Holly Bible it is uncanny!
Muslims like to generally lead a peaceful life with the population around them, and it is only an irrational fear that makes certain people think differently and suspect a Muslim Revolution.  It is ignorant and dangerous in the extreme.   
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albitz

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« Reply #50 on: 31 January 2013, 19:40:57 »

So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take control and dominate wherever they can ?
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« Reply #51 on: 31 January 2013, 19:44:13 »

So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take countrol and dominate wherever they can ? ?

 
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #52 on: 31 January 2013, 20:03:14 »

So,the murder and mayhem around the globe by Muslim fundamentalists is nothing to be concerned about ? They arent trying to take control and dominate wherever they can ?

They are a minority and not in anything like large numbers in the UK ;) ;) ;)

And what you are describing is what the British did in large numbers, killing, imprisoning, committing humans to slavery, as they imposed their will over the natives to achieve control and power. But the natives couldn't fight back so easily as we can now.  ;) ;)
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albitz

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« Reply #53 on: 31 January 2013, 20:08:40 »

A minority,agreed.But a dangerous minority who shouldnt be pandered to.
What we did centuries ago,is irrelevant imo.It cant possibly justify anyone doing it now.Frankly I dont care if my great great great grandad helped to rule their countries with a rod of iron. That was then,this is now,and I dont owe anyone anything for the past.
As an aside,their countries were invariably in much better shape when ruled by the British empire than they are now.
Im sure many Zimbabweans would welcome the British colonialists back with open arms. ;)
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Lizzie_Zoom

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« Reply #54 on: 31 January 2013, 20:16:27 »

A minority,agreed.But a dangerous minority who shouldnt be pandered to.
What we did centuries ago,is irrelevant imo.It cant possibly justify anyone doing it now.Frankly I dont care if my great great great grandad helped to rule their countries with a rod of iron. That was then,this is now,and I dont owe anyone anything for the past.
As an aside,their countries were invariably in much better shape when ruled by the British empire than they are now.
Im sure many Zimbabweans would welcome the British colonialists back with open arms. ;)

On both points agreed! :y :y  On point one though when they are proved to have broken British law they will be dealt with.  Point 2 is a good example of how an initial painful "invasion" proved eventually of good benefit to the natives. :y
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« Reply #55 on: 31 January 2013, 21:08:58 »

I'm sorry Lizzie but when we have something in the region of 20% youth unemployment, I really fail to see how importing the unskilled youth of Eastern Europe to our fair shores can be of any benefit to the natives...  :-\
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« Reply #56 on: 31 January 2013, 21:26:01 »

Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).

That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way.  They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.

Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y

However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.

To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed.  But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!

It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.

We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.

Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits?   They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA.  The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)

Here is a DT article on some of their trades that you missed off your list:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html
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« Reply #57 on: 31 January 2013, 22:03:49 »

I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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« Reply #58 on: 31 January 2013, 23:18:58 »

I suggest we all club together and buy Lizzie a flat in Southall ;D ;D ;D ;D :y

How many rupees will each share be? ;D
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« Reply #59 on: 01 February 2013, 11:10:43 »

Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).

That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way.  They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.

Absolutely right, they were not at the time. :y

However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.

To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed.  But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!

It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.

We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.

Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits?   They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA.  The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy! ::) ::) :) :)

Here is a DT article on some of their trades that you missed off your list:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9840073/Revealed-gang-rivalry-Mark-Duggan-and-the-unavenged-murder-behind-the-London-riots.html

What does that prove Rods2? ::) ::)

There is good and bad in all, no matter of what colour, creed, culture, or religion.  Just think how many very serious crimes are committed by whites, but that is in proportion with the population who are white.  That is the same with blacks.  However, when a certain race is isolated by the majority, and given the hard shoulder, then a feeling of hitting back may increase their level of crime!

Remember, Hitler and Stalin were white!  So was Guy Fawkes, Dr. Crippen, Jack the Ripper, the Yorkshire Ripper, The Great Train Robbers, Raoul Moat, and 100s of thousands of other serious criminals, oh, including Fagin (yes there were many Jewish Fagin's in Victorian England)!

You can always put a colour to a crime and paint all with the same brush.

Anyway, for all those I cannot convince with my numerous posts, let me leave you with this thought:

Organise a film unit, get a brilliant director, a bunch of evil looking foreigners - maybe Muslims - then make a film of their faces in dark sinister tones, with evil threatening looks. Edit the film of shots with rats, or snakes, or spiders - something the majority of people fear - and blend in with the ghastly, horrible, wicked foreigners, and put a commentary on showing how they threaten the country.  Then show the completed film everywhere to white sympathetic audiences, ensuring you transmit the message that all these dreadful foreigners businesses are boycotted, even attacked, with your mobs roaming the streets to rough up, even kill these dirty foreigners. Try even to get Parliament to pass an act making all of these disgusting people aliens, and criminals of the State, then when passed organise a "Black Knight" night to round up and ruin all these undesirables, to finally rid the State of them.

After that you will remember that your DNA includes elements from foreign, non-English, descent.  Then the State machine will come for you!! 

ENOUGH!!!  I am making myself sick writing this script.  But I am sure you will remember and consider what history has taught us and how humans can quickly turn into beasts to consume each other when not conforming to their ideas of normality! >:( >:( >:(
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