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[Terbs]

What gets me is all the 'positive' comments from people who do not live in 'immigrant' towns. I have seen my town degenerate into slum areas, which, were once very nice neighbourhoods. I would not set foot in areas of Wycombe after dark. My aunty was the last white resident in her road. Her house sold for a pittance, due to, 'as the estate agent said' a limited type of buyer There are no longer any white people living in the road. And the state of the garden/frontages is a disgrace. Out in our rural area, you get a rollocking for leaving wheel marks in kerb grass !!!!!!!!!!

[omega3000]

There you are, nothing to worry about!

Just been on the news that the second most important language in our land is........Polish!

I can believe that , there are many polish around here and polish shops popping up more and more , never had any problems with them though . Couldnt imagine living in london , i went once and that was enough seeing 2 muggings on a first visit , far too busy and over-crowded for my liking .

[albitz]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/census-2011-140000-people-cannot-speak-english_n_2580264.html

[Kate]

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/01/30/census-2011-140000-people-cannot-speak-english_n_2580264.html

Que?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I have to disagree with you Lizzie as in the past immigration has been a small percentage of our population which we have easily absorbed into our traditional way of life.

ke the social cohesiveness of their mono-cultural society.

Sorry Rods2 but in the past we have survived massive immigration. The first tribes to cross the Dogger Plain added to Britains population significantly; the Romans invaded in 43AD and brought masses of foreigners in; the Anglo Saxons then immigrated en mass, with Vikings making significant inroads during the 800-900's; the Normans were next in 1066 with a massive influx of people and new culture that radically changed the English way of life;  there then was constant movement of people between England and mainland Europe;  in 1348, and even worse 1370 the Great Plagues wiped out between 33% - 50% of the population; then came an influx of peoples from France, Holland, and of course Germany on a regular basis over the next few hundred years, with even our Royal Family being immigrants!  The British Empire then led to 100's of thousands of Brits making their way around the world, with elements of the Empire's population coming into England - not forgetting the slave trade bringing in thousands of black Africans until 1807.  With the European wars over the next two hundred years populations / cultures moved in and out of Britain, with even areas of our main cities being populated by "other nations" people en mass.  Since then we have now experienced the 'backlash', if that is the correct phrase, of a fading Empire with those who felt comfortable under British rule and our way of life, such as those from India, Africa, Hong Kong, the Caribbean, Australia, New Zealand, and many other Asian countries, finding their way to Britain.  On top of that we have had the Poles and other Eastern European peoples, some of whom remember Britain great part in WW2, and other recognising a good way of life when they see one, coming into the country to "make their fortune" as humans, and especially the English, have tended to do since Roman Britain.

So, no, mass immigration is not new, but it may have expanded due to A) The World's population expanding fast; B) Humans en mass wanting a better future for themselves and their children and C) modern transport facilitating mass immigration like never before.  Remember too that 100's of thousands also leave Britain every year to populate other parts of the World or simply return to their families original countries as they become more advanced.

In all immigration in humans is as old as time itself and should never be feared.  It is the human way to progress and improve ones living conditions.  First it was moving to a better cave, then a better field, then a better country, and that has continued.  I dare say in the future it will be to a better planet!!

[omega3000]

In all immigration in humans is as old as time itself and should never be feared.  It is the human way to progress and improve ones living conditions.  First it was moving to a better cave, then a better field, then a better country, and that has continued.  I dare say in the future it will be to a better planet!!

The planet UKIP 

[Allenm]

The fundamental point, is that this is the first time in (modern) history where the mass immigration is by people who do not want to be British, but want to take over Britain. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The fundamental point, is that this is the first time in (modern) history where the mass immigration is by people who do not want to be British, but want to take over Britain. 

Sorry, but that is pure scaremongering

What percentage of our population are those people then?

 

[Kate]

I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.

For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.

For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.

Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!

So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter.

[Kate]

I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.

For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.

Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!

So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter.

I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.

The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.

[Abiton]

Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).

That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way.  They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think people don't like it when immigrants 'section off' parts of Britain and then that place becomes a mini India or mini Iraq or whatever.

For example, Southall, West London is like a mini India.

Indeed, a natural human action to help them feel safe, just as Brits who migrate (or are just on holiday) seem to form "Little England's", with even English pubs, clubs, and shops!

So any and every culture and nationality do that and have since the start of time -the animal kingdom follows the same pattern although is more reliant on the climate and sourcing food, along with shelter.

I'm not against it or anything but I think it can go too far. I think this sharia law thing is a bit worrying for example.

The last time I was in Southall I got stared at a lot, as if was an invader. I felt quite uncomfortable actually.

I know what you mean Kate, but things are never as bad as some make immigration to be!

For everyone on here so worried then listen, at high volume to theImmigrant Song by the greatest rock group of all time, Led Zeppelin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnpaPGHFsL4

Enjoy!

[Rods2]

How many of these immigrants in the past wanted to destroy the host countries way of life, since that happened by force of arms with the invasion of 1066?

The UN has recently published a report on ethnic cleansing of Christians from the Middle East by the Religion of Peace since WWII and it runs into millions and also the current mass persecution of Christians in Africa which is getting worse.

Most immigration does not pose a threat but one section does which could lead to a Yugoslavia situation at sometime in the future. Moderates aren't a problem, unfortunately it will be the radicals that set the agenda, like they are with their patrols at the moment in parts of London and with what happened in 7/7. I would suggest you look up the Arab words for secular countries and what they call means for the rest. Non-Moslem states are basically called countries we are at war with.

You might argue that it will be alright in the end, but equally on the evidence I have seen I will argue it will not and why take the risk?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Although I agree with almost all of what you say Lizzie, there's one thing that you don't say (forgive me if you have but I've missed it).

That is, the population that is 'invaded' by newcomers at all these points in history were (I speculate!) never very happy about what was happening at the time.
Just because mankind theoretically has the capacity to study and learn from history, to potentially remove the fear aspect by seeing that 'things turned out OK last time', doesn't mean people will think that way.  They'll just be afraid and cross, mostly.

Absolutely right, they were not at the time.

However, within a short space of time the Romans, the Anglo Saxons, the Vikings and the Normans , who caused the biggest changes before the birth of the British Empire, were considered of great benefit to those living in England, and were missed when their power faded.

To cut a long, long story: Leaping forward in time with the coming of the Blacks from former / existing British colonies in the 1950's were not welcomed.  But now how we value their descendants who are medical, legal, engineering, scientific, teaching, etc, etc, professionals, and how we could not do without them!

It is especially the English who have NEVER welcomed change, especially if it was not white Christian English, but that did not include Catholics or Protestants at certain periods in our history, and as for the Welsh of Scottish peoples..............well jokes still abound in English circles about those tribes who once were enemies of England but now are really close friends.

We soon get over change, and that drove the Empire and the Industrial Revolution on to achieve really Great things, often with the aid of "foreigners" who found their way to our fair shores.

Finally, I would ask can anyone in this Great Isle really claim a PURE British blood line, with truely British DNA all the way back to the ancient Brits?   They are the rarity, not us who are in the huge majority from IMMIGRANT blood and DNA.  The mix has been the wonderful factor in British history and has avoided the terrible inter breeding that otherwise would have taken place, as it did in certain sectors of the aristocracy!