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[Steve B]

NO.........go on the game 

[ozzycat]

NO.........go on the game 

allready am but dont tell the mrs shell want her cut

[Steve B]

have you gave any thought into a grow room 

[ozzycat]

have you gave any thought into a grow room 

yes but i need a seed supplier  got the rest could make a fortune before i get caught  then i use it for medical purposes  how big do you reckon

[Sir Tigger KC]

I almost got caught out by some 'growers' that I rented a house to, that they intended to convert into a 'herbal factory'.....   

Luckily for me my house was the last in a long line of houses that they had rented and converted into factories when they got nicked, so it was relatively intact!! 

Anyway the point of the story which will be of interest to Ozzy, is that the Copper told me that an average bedroom full of 6ft healthy plants is worth around £300,000 at street prices!!   

Too be honest that seems quite a lot to me so lets assume that figure covers the lifetime of the plants with several harvests. 

Should just about cover your Bedroom Tax Ozzy?? 

PS ... And no the growers didn't get their deposit back!!! 

[elitedave]

tipical copper they all ways over estimate yeald of plants

often your read drug factory raided and x amount street vale
but reality is it half a dozen plants if that and a few cutting and a bag of seeds

[dbdb]

I know an old couple on state benefits who have been given a huge house, the kids have all left home, loads of empty bedrooms but they won't be losing any benefits.   Not only that, they're immigrant stock - Germany and Greece would you believe.  Phil and Liz  Glücksburg are their (real) names.

Not affected by the benefit cap either - in fact Lizzie's benefits have just gone up 16% (from £31 million to £36.1 million) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html

Gawd bless er wurth evry pennee (doffs cap politely).
 

[Sir Tigger KC]

tipical copper they all ways over estimate yeald of plants

often your read drug factory raided and x amount street vale
but reality is it half a dozen plants if that and a few cutting and a bag of seeds

No these guys were professionals and were growing industrial quantities of the stuff.  Not only did they have about 10 terraced houses in the area but they had got into a boarded up snooker hall, an empty cinema and had rented an industrial unit on a trading estate!! 

They got caught when the boss got pulled over for a tail light out on his car, and when they ran him through the PNC he was wanted by West Midlands police...    You're probably right about the exaggerated street value though. 

[omega3000]

have you gave any thought into a grow room 

yes but i need a seed supplier  got the rest could make a fortune before i get caught  then i use it for medical purposes  how big do you reckon

Well if its just for medical purposes ill be the Guinea Pig for a few ounces 

[TheBoy]

I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy

So you can't have a spare room and have visitors
 We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out.

Got to disagree, sorry.

Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.

Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.

[ozzycat]

I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy

So you can't have a spare room and have visitors
 We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out.

Got to disagree, sorry.

Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.

Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.

TB i dont diagree with what there doing just the way there doing it  theirs no leeway with people like me that need the 3rd bedroom for there wifes to sleep in because of the type of disability ive got when im in bed i loose control of my legs ect due to the nerve damage and the medication dose not allways work so my legs and arms kick about all night this means i get no sleep and if we didnt have the 3rd room neither would sandra either that or i kick her to death

[TheBoy]

I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy

So you can't have a spare room and have visitors
 We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out.

Got to disagree, sorry.

Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.

Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.

TB i dont diagree with what there doing just the way there doing it  theirs no leeway with people like me that need the 3rd bedroom for there wifes to sleep in because of the type of disability ive got when im in bed i loose control of my legs ect due to the nerve damage and the medication dose not allways work so my legs and arms kick about all night this means i get no sleep and if we didnt have the 3rd room neither would sandra either that or i kick her to death

Trouble is, case-by-case is not viable, and too many scroungers can spin a story. So I believe in the first instance, this needs to be done blanket style, then reassess the situation.

Again, sadly, the scum of society have ruined it for the genuine, as in most walks of life.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy

So you can't have a spare room and have visitors
 We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out.

Got to disagree, sorry.

Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.

Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.

I agree up to a point, TB. The council has a duty to get 'best value' from it's housing stock. However, this approach is only viable if there are enough smaller properties of an equal standard  in the same or adjacent area......which there are not.

Therefore it simply a tax on the poor.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know an old couple on state benefits who have been given a huge house, the kids have all left home, loads of empty bedrooms but they won't be losing any benefits.   Not only that, they're immigrant stock - Germany and Greece would you believe.  Phil and Liz  Glücksburg are their (real) names.

Not affected by the benefit cap either - in fact Lizzie's benefits have just gone up 16% (from £31 million to £36.1 million) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9966951/Queen-receives-16pc-increase-in-funding.html

Gawd bless er wurth evry pennee (doffs cap politely).
 

I haven't seen a penny of that yet!!   Must get on the phone in the morning

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I just find the whole idea absolutely crazy

So you can't have a spare room and have visitors
 We have a housing crisis, there are not the properties available to allow downsizing....
I don't like to bring immigration into it, but facts must be faced......
Where are all the thousands of single immigrants from wherever living......in properties that people wishing to downsize could move into?? If not, then I assume every town is full of thousands of people sleeping rough or everyone has purchased or rented their own property. Again, taking homes out of the system for people already here.
How long will it be that us private home owners like me with a spare room are told to move out.

Got to disagree, sorry.

Its a great idea, persuading people to downsize their taxpayer funded homes that are too big. And freeing up larger homes for those crammed in smaller properties. Its about making the best use of the assets you have, at the same time having your hands tied regarding public financies.

Pains me to say it, but good on the Tories for having the balls.

I agree up to a point, TB. The council has a duty to get 'best value' from it's housing stock. However, this approach is only viable if there are enough smaller properties of an equal standard  in the same or adjacent area......which there are not.

Therefore it simply a tax on the poor.

......and that Opti is the key to all this.  It is not just a case of downsizing; it is a case of available choice which is non-existent, so the poorest of society have to pay as they have no-where to go!