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[STMO123]

Well...luckily for me...you lot are not in power

[STMO123]

In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

[STMO123]

Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............

I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.

Why?. .....Confused of Lincolnshire.

You need to change your username to befuddled or something

In answer to your question: Because they have been there for years, often since they were a young couple starting a family. Living in a council house wasn't always the privilege it seems to be considered these days.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.

In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 ..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Here is a new one for you, how about a rule that says that any family who earn over a certain amount, say joint income of £50k can not live in Social Housing, they should rent privately or buy, I know of a number of people on very good money living in a Council House, and such a rule would free up a lot of houses............

I see your point, Mike, but I think the point I was making has more validity. If, as the government says, the point of the 'bedroom tax' is to free up housing, not save money, then I think it would be fair to ask everyone in under-used property to take part.
I think asking people who utilise every room to move would be counter-productive, if the governments criteria was applied.
I live in social housing and my wife earns more than 50K, but it certainly wasn't the case when we moved in and moving to a similar sized, private dwelling wouldn't free up anything, although it would probably make some people feel better.

Why?. .....Confused of Lincolnshire.

You need to change your username to befuddled or something

In answer to your question: Because they have been there for years, often since they were a young couple starting a family. Living in a council house wasn't always the privilege it seems to be considered these days.

I see your point, Steve.......but renting a property when you have the means to buy it (or another property) doesn't  make sense to me, as rent money will always be 'dead money'.

[Entwood]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

[STMO123]

In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.

In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 ..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM.

Penthouse flats don't count.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax'  is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. 

[Entwood]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax'  is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. 

or ..more accurately.....  "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it ..   )

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax'  is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. 

or ..more accurately.....  "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it ..   )

........and that leads us neatly back to wealthy pensioners.

[ozzycat]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax'  is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. 

or ..more accurately.....  "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it ..   )

no there isnt take no notice what youv been told there is no provision for people like me the money that the gov has given to councils to sort this out is the same money they give each year for rent arears no extra has been given for helping people in my situation

[STMO123]

Use of the English Language .....   please copy to Liebore

A "Tax" .... ...........   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax

"A tax (from the Latin taxo; "I estimate") is a financial charge or other levy imposed upon a taxpayer (an individual or legal entity) by a state or the functional equivalent of a state such that failure to pay is punishable by law."

Now, I know I'm thick .. but how does a "reduction in benefit" suddenly become a "tax"  ...

However, never let the truth get in the way of a good headline

If your wage packet/giro/benefit cheque contains £150 one week, and £125 the next and the missing £25 has been taken by the government then it's an indirect form of taxation.

You'll have to explain that one to me I'm afraid ....

I give you £150 one week .... and the next I give you £125 .... I agree I have GIVEN you less ... but just how have I TAKEN anything

And a tax is a "take" that is punishable by imprisonment if not paid .... the whole £150 could be "not given" and the recipient would not go to prison ... so it is NOT a tax ... direct or indirect .. it is, and always will be .. a reduction in benefit.


and BTW .. the government has no money .. it just redistributes other peoples .. so the government takes and gives no money whatsover .. it comes from taxpayers and is given to non-taxpayers.

You and I could play with semantics till the cows come home, Mr Entwood, but 'the bedroom tax'  is still just a cleverly packaged way of taking money from the poorest in society. 

or ..more accurately.....  "not giving as much to those that don't need it"... (plenty of safeguards being put in place to ensure those that DO need it get it ..   )

........and that leads us neatly back to wealthy pensioners.

Touche, young Opti.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

In 2005, or there abouts, the government introduced a new set of 'rules'. You may have noticed thousands of 'council houses' being 'upgraded'. Housing associations took over these properties from local councils and were able to borrow the money to improve them. In return they were allowed to raise the rent to cover the repayments. Our rent has gone up about 70% in five years.
The big idea is that, by 2015, public sector rents will more or less reflect private sector rents.

In 1984 we moved into a privately rented flat. The rent was initially £69 a month. When we moved out in 1990 to buy our first house the rent was £119 ..........a rise of some 75%. I understand that the current rent (2013) is £725 PCM.

Penthouse flats don't count.

A one bed flat with no central heating. The ice that  collected on the inside of the windows made some lovely pretty patterns.

[STMO123]

I had a 'room' in Fulham in 1991. One single bed, one fridge, a TV, a microwave and a wardrobe. £95 a week. Shared bathroom and kitchen which were...erm....yuk. God knows what that would cost now.