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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Dig him up and hang him for treason. Ankwa...

.......It was good enough for Dickie 3. ...although he did get the hump about it.

They did it, well dug him up and beheaded him, with the Lord Protector, Cromwell, and as a loyalist I have supported that action against a traitor!

Loyalist...or Royalist?

Both!  I am loyal to the crown and it's functions, and as far as Charles I was concerned and those old fashioned monarchs, I would have been a Royalist and helping actively the men folk in their fight against the Parliamentarians. The traitors.

[STMO123]

Hmmmmmm....you'd have been beheaded then.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Hmmmmmm....you'd have been beheaded then.

No, the ladies were spared.  Not like in the French Revolution, as we are British!

[STMO123]

Hmmmmmm....you'd have been beheaded then.

No, the ladies were spared.  Not like in the French Revolution, as we are British!

OK. Put in the stocks, surely? Or burned at the stake? Yes, I like that one better.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Hmmmmmm....you'd have been beheaded then.

No, the ladies were spared.  Not like in the French Revolution, as we are British!

That Robespierre was a nice friendly chap, Lizzie.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

For me Beeching was a scape goat for the governments of the time. He produced a report as per his remit and parliament carried out what they wanted to do (and were already doing).

Also remember, he made modern freight.

For me a man who was miss understood

They knew how much flack he would get, all deflected from them. That's why they paid him £20,000 to produce it, the equivalent of £350,000 today.

Yes, and like an assassin he went along with it all like the grey, accountant, man he was!  But also yes, his political masters used him with his blessing, as (it is hard for me to say this!!! ) Conservative politicians tend to use fall guys when executing a policy that they know will give them much heartache and bad press if they don't!

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Hmmmmmm....you'd have been beheaded then.

No, the ladies were spared.  Not like in the French Revolution, as we are British!

That Robespierre was a nice friendly chap, Lizzie.

........and that is why he ended up dead!

[STMO123]

We all end up dead, Lizzie.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

We all end up dead, Lizzie.

But, hopefully, not by way of the guillotine as  Robespierre did!

[STMO123]

We all end up dead, Lizzie.

But, hopefully, not by way of the guillotine as  Robespierre did!

I can think of worse ways. Like ending up in an NHS run hospital after the tories have finished cutting.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

We all end up dead, Lizzie.

But, hopefully, not by way of the guillotine as  Robespierre did!

I can think of worse ways. Like ending up in an NHS run hospital after the tories have finished cutting.

Indeed, death by a very slow process (to save money!!) 

[TheBoy]

The cuts didn't go deep enough in the 60s. The service cannot isn't financially viable, thus needs IRO 50% subsidy.

[Rods2]

The biggest mistake made was by Labour with their nationalization. Once you lose market force solutions, you either legally steal money off people to subsidize something and in Labour's case give in to their paymaster unions, which is why train drivers earn much more than drivers in private bus companies.

Once a company is in public ownership then there is no rational efficient allocation of capital. Is is all done for political reasons. BT was another classic example of this, where you had to wait years for a phone line, once they were privatized and had competition, then they had to raise money to invest, compete and survive.

What they should have done, if the branch lines were so viable, is privatise them and let imaginative entrepreneurs, cut costs and market them effectively, which is what the tourist / preservation societies have done.

Personally, I don't think the railways should be a subsidised form of transport. Make it work or turn them into motorways seems a sensible way forward to me.

[Seth]

For me Beeching was a scape goat for the governments of the time. He produced a report as per his remit and parliament carried out what they wanted to do (and were already doing).

Also remember, he made modern freight.

For me a man who was miss understood

My sentiments exactly.

[Seth]

The biggest mistake made was by Labour with their nationalization.

You really think so Rod ... perhaps you'd like to quantify that statement ... 'cos I'm 'all ears' here ... 




Off topic maybe, but:

in Labour's case give in to their paymaster unions, which is why train drivers earn much more than drivers in private bus companies.

Another misguided/misleading statement ...

The Trade Unions learned from the aftermath of the privatisation of the bus industry, and was my own reason for leaving after nearly 25 years service - the first half of that period being in the good days of NBC; with a reasonable wage/conditions and a decent pension. The latter half saw managers become directors, who then often became millionaires - at the expense of my pay packet and pension, which was frozen at privatisation. Privatisation of the rail industry saw BR pensions 'carried over' to individual TOCs ... in simple terms, the staff didn't lose out.

Bus driver: Around £18k per annum for a 40-hour basic 5-day week
Train driver: Generally upwards of £40k basic per annum for a 35-hour 4-day week in many cases

Given the choice (as I was fortunate enough to be given) which position would you choose?