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[Kammy]

Hi Guys/Gals,

Firstly condolences to the bereaved and family for what was clearly an insane and stupid act by some lunatics acting in the name of Islam. Islam is totally against the taking of an innocent life so please do not think this was done in the name of the religion. These lunatics have been brainwashed and have misinterpreted or manipulated the words of the religion for the benefit of themselves and their actions/motives.

I do not wish to aggrevate or annoy anyone on hear and I definately will not do any preaching but please let me say that these idiots do not reflect the entire majority of muslims in the UK. Unfortunately there are a minority that is giving the rest of us a bad name but such is life nowadays that because it is always in the media about muslims doing bad things that naturally everybody thinks we are all the same. Please believe me that this is not the case.

I agree that our elected govt needs to man up. However it is not just from recent times that criminals/muslims appear to have more human rights than the average civillian and we end up bending over backwards for them to look after them rather than making them suffer for the crime they have committed. This has been the case as far as I remember, any of you remember the Jamie Bulger incident? I think it was in Liverpool.

Unfortunately we live in a society where everybody has rights, freedom of speech expression etc and such apply to everyone. We have forgotten that there should also be boundaries for common sense as people from all areas believe they can do want they want. I'm not sure this is the best way to the ideal society.

Thanks,

Kammy

[cleggy]

Just crucify Choudary and 100,000 muslims in Hyde Park, seems reasonable to me . One British soldier for 100,001 of them would make these stoneage age primitives think twice about doing it again.

Then we would be no better than the Nazis.

That is no way forward Cleggy, and would just incite religious and racial hatred to a point life would become unbearable.

Of course I know you said this tongue in cheek as usual

You know me too well, stirs the nest tho'

[tigers_gonads]

Hi Guys/Gals,

Firstly condolences to the bereaved and family for what was clearly an insane and stupid act by some lunatics acting in the name of Islam. Islam is totally against the taking of an innocent life so please do not think this was done in the name of the religion. These lunatics have been brainwashed and have misinterpreted or manipulated the words of the religion for the benefit of themselves and their actions/motives.

I do not wish to aggrevate or annoy anyone on hear and I definately will not do any preaching but please let me say that these idiots do not reflect the entire majority of muslims in the UK. Unfortunately there are a minority that is giving the rest of us a bad name but such is life nowadays that because it is always in the media about muslims doing bad things that naturally everybody thinks we are all the same. Please believe me that this is not the case.

I agree that our elected govt needs to man up. However it is not just from recent times that criminals/muslims appear to have more human rights than the average civillian and we end up bending over backwards for them to look after them rather than making them suffer for the crime they have committed. This has been the case as far as I remember, any of you remember the Jamie Bulger incident? I think it was in Liverpool.

Unfortunately we live in a society where everybody has rights, freedom of speech expression etc and such apply to everyone. We have forgotten that there should also be boundaries for common sense as people from all areas believe they can do want they want. I'm not sure this is the best way to the ideal society.

Thanks,

Kammy

Saw the Imam on the news at lunchtime kammy.
I though the bloke spoke a lot of sense and from the heart and I respect that 

BUT, this country's laws are based on the Christian values (or at least they should be)
Imo, everybody should have the right to worship at whatever church they chose without interference.
On our streets, we have British citizens who claim to follow Islam who are spouting nothing other then hatred.
Now if the peace loving followers of Islam in this country where to take to the streets and directly confront these scum in public, you would find that a lot of the fear would disappear and the general population would rightly stand alongside them     

[cem_devecioglu]

Hi Guys/Gals,

Firstly condolences to the bereaved and family for what was clearly an insane and stupid act by some lunatics acting in the name of Islam. Islam is totally against the taking of an innocent life so please do not think this was done in the name of the religion. These lunatics have been brainwashed and have misinterpreted or manipulated the words of the religion for the benefit of themselves and their actions/motives.

I do not wish to aggrevate or annoy anyone on hear and I definately will not do any preaching but please let me say that these idiots do not reflect the entire majority of muslims in the UK. Unfortunately there are a minority that is giving the rest of us a bad name but such is life nowadays that because it is always in the media about muslims doing bad things that naturally everybody thinks we are all the same. Please believe me that this is not the case.

I agree that our elected govt needs to man up. However it is not just from recent times that criminals/muslims appear to have more human rights than the average civillian and we end up bending over backwards for them to look after them rather than making them suffer for the crime they have committed. This has been the case as far as I remember, any of you remember the Jamie Bulger incident? I think it was in Liverpool.

Unfortunately we live in a society where everybody has rights, freedom of speech expression etc and such apply to everyone. We have forgotten that there should also be boundaries for common sense as people from all areas believe they can do want they want. I'm not sure this is the best way to the ideal society.

Thanks,

Kammy

Saw the Imam on the news at lunchtime kammy.
I though the bloke spoke a lot of sense and from the heart and I respect that 

BUT, this country's laws are based on the Christian values (or at least they should be)
Imo, everybody should have the right to worship at whatever church they chose without interference.
On our streets, we have British citizens who claim to follow Islam who are spouting nothing other then hatred.
Now if the peace loving followers of Islam in this country where to take to the streets and directly confront these scum in public, you would find that a lot of the fear would disappear and the general population would rightly stand alongside them 

Tigger , as far as I know UK laws are secular although some may have historical roots..   

[tigers_gonads]

Hi Guys/Gals,

Firstly condolences to the bereaved and family for what was clearly an insane and stupid act by some lunatics acting in the name of Islam. Islam is totally against the taking of an innocent life so please do not think this was done in the name of the religion. These lunatics have been brainwashed and have misinterpreted or manipulated the words of the religion for the benefit of themselves and their actions/motives.

I do not wish to aggrevate or annoy anyone on hear and I definately will not do any preaching but please let me say that these idiots do not reflect the entire majority of muslims in the UK. Unfortunately there are a minority that is giving the rest of us a bad name but such is life nowadays that because it is always in the media about muslims doing bad things that naturally everybody thinks we are all the same. Please believe me that this is not the case.

I agree that our elected govt needs to man up. However it is not just from recent times that criminals/muslims appear to have more human rights than the average civillian and we end up bending over backwards for them to look after them rather than making them suffer for the crime they have committed. This has been the case as far as I remember, any of you remember the Jamie Bulger incident? I think it was in Liverpool.

Unfortunately we live in a society where everybody has rights, freedom of speech expression etc and such apply to everyone. We have forgotten that there should also be boundaries for common sense as people from all areas believe they can do want they want. I'm not sure this is the best way to the ideal society.

Thanks,

Kammy

Saw the Imam on the news at lunchtime kammy.
I though the bloke spoke a lot of sense and from the heart and I respect that 

BUT, this country's laws are based on the Christian values (or at least they should be)
Imo, everybody should have the right to worship at whatever church they chose without interference.
On our streets, we have British citizens who claim to follow Islam who are spouting nothing other then hatred.
Now if the peace loving followers of Islam in this country where to take to the streets and directly confront these scum in public, you would find that a lot of the fear would disappear and the general population would rightly stand alongside them 

Tigger , as far as I know UK laws are secular although some may have historical roots..   

Yup, that's were most of our rules / laws and morals started but as always in life, things change

[Kammy]

The problem you have here is that these idiots firstly dont do such things in their own communities. I suppose this is somewhat down to not needing to preach islam where the majority is already muslim and secondly due to the fact that if they did cause any trouble in their own back garden, mummy or daddy will not hesitate to taking a slipper to the behind. Atleast this was the case for me and I believe I turned out alright.

Also thanks to current times and laws, such clipping of the ears etc are supposedly not allowed. Parents therefore possibly are not taking such actions and kids are not being brought up with the same discipline and respect for others as may be they should. I know this to be true not just in my community with muslim families but also "western" families where kids go out of control.

Finally I have seen that there are very few parents that will accept they kids are wrong doers. Irrespective of nationality/ethnicity etc, many parents will not accept that they child has caused any trouble or mis behaved in any way. Again this is not restricted to muslims only. Every child is a prince in their house and therefore they grow up thinking and believing they can do what they want.

I have kids and I hope to bring them up as good humans, to be able to respect their elders and neighbours. They are only infants but I do hope I can bring them up well. I do send them to mosque to learn the quran, I did myself. How it is interprated is up to the individual just like any law or policy. I teach them what is right and wrong. Obviously if you bring your children up the right way, it should erradicate extremism of any sort.

[Drewomega]

As PM'd to admin, why was my comment on this subject deleted?? Please reply ASAP. Thank you!!

[cleggy]

As PM'd to admin, why was my comment on this subject deleted?? Please reply ASAP. Thank you!!

You're not on your own my last post was too

[albitz]

Rightly so imo Im afraid.My politics are very much right wing,but some of those comments were way beyond even BNP language.
Kammy posted some thoughtful and decent opinions.Imo,take as you find and treat him in the same manner as he has posted.

[Sir Tigger KC]

A French soldier was stabbed today whilst patrolling in uniform near Paris.... 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-france-stabbing-idUSBRE94O09420130525

[cleggy]

Rightly so imo Im afraid.My politics are very much right wing,but some of those comments were way beyond even BNP language.
Kammy posted some thoughtful and decent opinions.Imo,take as you find and treat him in the same manner as he has posted.

So censorship is allowed, we aren't allowed an opinion?

Let me put it this way and see how you respond. Last year I was honoured to a guest at the marriage celebration of a good friends daughter, his eldest son was unable to attend..... He is serving 13 years in Belmarsh for incitement to murder. You think my opinions are right wing, you should hear his. Oh by the way he is a Muslim.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

[cleggy]

Pat Condell 

[paul.lovejoy]

I will not hide as it is not my way and say I did "push the button" as certain comments were fast going the wrong way and could be seen as racially motivated, with a risk of inciting hatred against Muslims.

This is not right for any Forum that is decent, and cannot be correct for a car forum, being exactly what two admins have warned about recently with a suggestion they may have to close the OOF down if it gave them anymore agro.

The comments that were starting to be made were unsafe, and could, I politely warn you, attract the attention of the authorities who are now watching for any backlash on the Internet following the Woolwich incident.

Personally with these I am finding it very difficult to ignore them, and I must declare a legal interest in the content.  I am an advisor to both Kent Police and the Crown Prosecution Service on, amongst many other subjects, on Hate Crime in general with all that entails.  It is therefore becoming a conflict for me to see these threads and particular posts on them, that I hope you can readily identify, without taking action as I see fit with the authorities I advise.  In fact I have been asked, along with other Police ICIA's, by Kent Police to contain extreme racially motivated comment on the Internet and life in general, reporting back to them as required.

Sorry to stop being a nice Lizzie Zoom, but I will stand up and be counted when the law is starting to be impinged and especially when it is taking our wonderful forum to the brink.  I, as most of you know, can be "strong minded" when it comes to political matters and make my views known, but I know when to draw the line, and have made a point of doing that even more so after the recent debate on such posting.

Let's all take a deep breadth and respect our fellow human beings, letting the authorities take the appropriate action as necessary after such a terrible crime without expressing on a public forum extreme views.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

i am so shocked Lizzie a spelling mistake, what is the world coming to  never seen that before

I thought the police always watch this site, its how they repair all thier omegas 

did read a few comments and thought along similar lines that it may get out of hand

[sassanach]

good grieff lizzie,not content with being a socialist tory,your also a stoolpigeon,the stasi would be proud...