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[Nickbat]

Yet another huge amount of money going into yet another huge plan to erode our dwindling privacy. Grrr!  

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1990999/Home-Office-plans-to-create-%27Big-brother%27-database-for-phones-calls%2C-emails-and-web-use.html

[Martin_1962]

More rights in China now!

Also how can you store so much data?

[Kevin Wood]

I'd be interested to know how they are going to log my emails when I run my own email server. Are they going to make my ISP log everything that passes through port 25? And filter my emails out of all the spam? Hey, if they're going to go to that much trouble maybe we could come to some arrangement and they could do my spam filtering for me.

.. and what about if I took exception to this and used an encrypted tunnel which ended overseas, for all my internet traffic? Not saying I'd bother, personally, but I sure as hell would if I had something to hide, and there's not a damned thing they could do.

It's about time the government learnt how the internet worked, if only to stop them putting out such ludicrous drivel in their press releases.

Kevin

[Marks DTM Calib]

More rights in China now!

Also how can you store so much data?

Ow, thats easy.......they use the standard public sector approach.

Store it all on DVD's in brief cases, and then loose it!

[jereboam]

More rights in China now!

Also how can you store so much data?

Ow, thats easy.......they use the standard public sector approach.

Store it all on DVD's in brief cases, and then loose it!

Don't think they'll be storing the conversations, just the called number, time and duration of calls.  They need a court order to record anything on the PSTN, I believe, and that requires a physical line tap anyway.  However, I would imagine, given the nature of packet switching networks, anything going over the GSM network could be retained quite easily.

[Marks DTM Calib]

More rights in China now!

Also how can you store so much data?

Ow, thats easy.......they use the standard public sector approach.

Store it all on DVD's in brief cases, and then loose it!

Don't think they'll be storing the conversations, just the called number, time and duration of calls.  They need a court order to record anything on the PSTN, I believe, and that requires a physical line tap anyway.  However, I would imagine, given the nature of packet switching networks, anything going over the GSM network could be retained quite easily.

No it doesn't....

[albitz]

stalin would be so proud

[Martin_1962]

I'd be interested to know how they are going to log my emails when I run my own email server. Are they going to make my ISP log everything that passes through port 25? And filter my emails out of all the spam? Hey, if they're going to go to that much trouble maybe we could come to some arrangement and they could do my spam filtering for me.

.. and what about if I took exception to this and used an encrypted tunnel which ended overseas, for all my internet traffic? Not saying I'd bother, personally, but I sure as hell would if I had something to hide, and there's not a damned thing they could do.

It's about time the government learnt how the internet worked, if only to stop them putting out such ludicrous drivel in their press releases.

Kevin

Email - a lot of my email servers are not ISP as such, Hotmail, and I don't think Jaime is tracking my OOF emails.

BT use Yahoo - off shore AFAIK

[Jay w]

George Orwell would have been proud....

1984 has almost come true.....ok 25 years late but still........

[FRE07962128]

Looks like the Data Protection Act is dead and buried!

It's revolution time comrades!

[FRE07962128]

Looks like the Data Protection Act is dead and buried!

It's revolution time comrades!

Oh bloody hell, that's my name firmly placed on the MI5/6 computer data base as a subversive; well I am a Politics Student!  They are watching us right now!

[Kevin Wood]

If there was a hope of them succeeding I'd be worried. As it is, they'll succeed in monitoring everyone who doesn't give it a second thought while the sinister ones who do put some effort into covering their tracks will be completely unaffected.

It'll just be a huge waste of money, and it won't be long before a spammer gets hold of the whole database. Can you imagine?

Kevin

[Martin_1962]

If there was a hope of them succeeding I'd be worried. As it is, they'll succeed in monitoring everyone who doesn't give it a second thought while the sinister ones who do put some effort into covering their tracks will be completely unaffected.

It'll just be a huge waste of money, and it won't be long before a spammer gets hold of the whole database. Can you imagine?

Kevin

Who actually hosts my email - is it the images server or the OOF server?

[jereboam]

So, once they've got all this data, who is going monitor it?  I mean, it's going to take more than a couple of temps working in the broom cupboard to go through it all and pick out the relevant bits, isn't it?  

Although, I suppose that, for security, the operators will have to be police officers.  

That should keep them off the streets...

[Jimbob]

As they cant seem to manage a piss up in a brewery....Gawd help us all