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Spanish train crash
« on: 25 July 2013, 07:46:24 »
Appalling tragedy in NorthWestern Spain. The train derailed violently on a bend and the death toll is a reported 77 dead up to now! :'(
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #1 on: 25 July 2013, 09:51:31 »
Very sad, reports saying the train was going to fast and over speed limit?  :o  :'(
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #2 on: 25 July 2013, 10:06:47 »
Pretty bad.

I have just been looking at the details of the last big train accident here in Spain. Back in 1972 in Southern Spain. 86 dead and 112 injured. It is quite possible that the current death toll will match that.
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« Reply #3 on: 25 July 2013, 10:19:40 »
Death toll has double since last night. They had the bodies layed out on the track, barely covered by what they could find laying around. Twisted carriages piled up.

Horrific scene.
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #4 on: 25 July 2013, 10:43:06 »
The inference thus far is that the train was traveling at greater than the 80km limit for the bend and juction over which it was crossing and left the track. The OTMR will tell all!


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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #5 on: 25 July 2013, 10:49:25 »
And how! News reports were saying 190 km/h!

Then again, they're always completely accurate. ::)
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #6 on: 25 July 2013, 10:50:28 »
The line speed before the junction is 180km/h.....but did he slow down.
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #7 on: 25 July 2013, 11:58:53 »
Some interesting stuff on the Spanish newspaper El Pais in English website including driver comment.

http://elpais.com/elpais/inenglish.html
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #8 on: 25 July 2013, 12:12:27 »
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #9 on: 25 July 2013, 12:21:04 »
It's funny how witnesses report things isn't it. Several reported a loud explosion prior to the crash.

When clearly, the noise was the crash taking place, as they hadn't yet seen what was happening.
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #10 on: 25 July 2013, 12:24:14 »
Either way, no doubt over the cause of the accident being speed (flat curve track with no camber so low speed require to traverse the corner), question is driver error or brake failure (I dont buy the latter as the regen brake setup would slow it pretty effectively even if the friction setup failed plus the brake systems are fail safe).
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #11 on: 25 July 2013, 12:25:47 »
It looks like it could have been off the tracks before its in shot. Looking at the carriage directly behind the engine...?
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #12 on: 25 July 2013, 12:30:21 »
Possibly but those trains are a funny shape and have a high spot on the 'loco' connecting coaches so it might be deceiving.

The coaches will come off first as they are lighter, then the rear heavier 'loco' with its inertia crumples them up and forces them forward.
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #13 on: 25 July 2013, 12:31:11 »
Freeze frame snap shot. It looks like the first carriage is already in trouble to me. No?
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Re: Spanish train crash
« Reply #14 on: 25 July 2013, 12:33:05 »
It's lower than the engine at the front. Just to be clear what I'm on about.

Although its difficult to tell the extent if the curve from that low angle.
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