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[Nickbat]

Is it just me that is beginning to get a tad concerned about Hague/Obama et al ramping up the ante for a military response to the chemical attack in Syria? 

Is it just me that has serious doubts as to who exactly launched the attack? 

Just asking...     

[tigers_gonads]

Assad is ruthless but not stupid.
Even he knows that if you stick two fingers up at the UN for long enough, uncle sam and his chums will come and get you sooner or later. Look what happened to Saddam 
That is why I just don't think he is stupid enough to use chemical weapons right on his own doorstep when the inspectors are in town 
So the question is .............. IF they have been deployed, Who is behind it ?

Chemical weapons are a nightmare to use.
You don't just take the top of a rocket and fill the things up.
The chemicals are corosive as hell so you don't want them lying around in the back of a truck so I just don't believe the so called rebels are using them on themselfs.

Another angle .......... Who is it that Assad has sworn to wipe of the face of the earth ?
Those bastians of fair play, Israel 

For me, Obama and his yapping poodle Hague have somebody else doing the dirty work on this one and pushing the worlds simpathy buttons because the last thing either country needs is being forced to put boots on the ground 

[cem_devecioglu]

Is it just me that is beginning to get a tad concerned about Hague/Obama et al ramping up the ante for a military response to the chemical attack in Syria? 

Is it just me that has serious doubts as to who exactly launched the attack? 

Just asking...   

 
you are not lonely.. here some tvs showed and alarmed that syrian free army of ars*h*les got some gas from somewhere else and going to use it to start a general war
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

Assad is ruthless but not stupid.
Even he knows that if you stick two fingers up at the UN for long enough, uncle sam and his chums will come and get you sooner or later. Look what happened to Saddam 
That is why I just don't think he is stupid enough to use chemical weapons right on his own doorstep when the inspectors are in town 
So the question is .............. IF they have been deployed, Who is behind it ?

Chemical weapons are a nightmare to use.
You don't just take the top of a rocket and fill the things up.
The chemicals are corosive as hell so you don't want them lying around in the back of a truck so I just don't believe the so called rebels are using them on themselfs.

Another angle .......... Who is it that Assad has sworn to wipe of the face of the earth ?
Those bastians of fair play, Israel 

For me, Obama and his yapping poodle Hague have somebody else doing the dirty work on this one and pushing the worlds simpathy buttons because the last thing either country needs is being forced to put boots on the ground 

good question.. who always profits from war ? who profited from war ?
 
I think most members here know the answers..

[Rods2]

I think their are two possibilities here. Al Qaeda are behind the chemical attack to try and create a response against Assad or even better in their eyes an East-West conflict, which they would hope to benefit from. The alternative is where Assad has had no action taken against him in the past from now confirmed gas attacks (but again it could be either side) and he has deliberately provoked a response from the west and if it is not forthcoming he will use it as a green light for a much bigger use of chemical weapons to bring the war to a swift conclusion.

Which of these is it, I don't know, but Assad and Al Qaeda both don't care how many people are killed and how much collateral damage is caused as long as it furthers their aims and stranglehold on Syria. Personally, I think the measured response from Obuma at this time is the right one of no action until it is clarified who is responsible. If it is Assad then I think B2 deep penetration bombing attacks on some of his command structure bunkers would be the correct response, at the same time letting him know that their is one with his name and bunker location on it if he uses them again. If it is Al Qaeda then the use of drones and decapitation attacks on their leaders is the right response. USAF have plenty of experience with this tactic in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen.

Sadly, like so often in wars, innocent civilians are dragged into the conflict and are maimed and killed. 

[albitz]

Assad may be gambling on the fact that the public in the U.S. / U.K. and the west in general are in no mood for their countries to get involved in yet another long messy war in the middle east ? 

[tigers_gonads]

If Al Qaeda, Who is supplying them ?
Iran 

Haven't they just elected a new leader who is a moderate and wants to smooth things over with the west ?

Not the sort of thing that goes down well in washington

[Nickbat]

Assad may be gambling on the fact that the public in the U.S. / U.K. and the west in general are in no mood for their countries to get involved in yet another long messy war in the middle east ? 

Maybe I am wrong, but many have said that the government forces have had the upper hand recently, so resorting to chemical weapons was not necessary. Also, the area concerned is still in rebel hands, so where was the military reasoning behind the attack? I am beginning to think "false flag", but I may be wrong. Either way, despite the horror of the deaths, who are the US and UK to go marching in there? 

Let the UN sort this out.
 

[tigers_gonads]

Assad may be gambling on the fact that the public in the U.S. / U.K. and the west in general are in no mood for their countries to get involved in yet another long messy war in the middle east ? 

Maybe I am wrong, but many have said that the government forces have had the upper hand recently, so resorting to chemical weapons was not necessary. Also, the area concerned is still in rebel hands, so where was the military reasoning behind the attack? I am beginning to think "false flag", but I may be wrong. Either way, despite the horror of the deaths, who are the US and UK to go marching in there? 

Let the UN sort this out.

F*ck yeh
Send for Hans Blix 

[Nickbat]

Assad may be gambling on the fact that the public in the U.S. / U.K. and the west in general are in no mood for their countries to get involved in yet another long messy war in the middle east ? 

Maybe I am wrong, but many have said that the government forces have had the upper hand recently, so resorting to chemical weapons was not necessary. Also, the area concerned is still in rebel hands, so where was the military reasoning behind the attack? I am beginning to think "false flag", but I may be wrong. Either way, despite the horror of the deaths, who are the US and UK to go marching in there? 

Let the UN sort this out.

F*ck yeh
Send for Hans Blix 

Better than this:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/24/syria-cameron-obama-intervention?CMP=twt_fd

[albitz]

Yep a job for the UN,no matter how useless they are imo. Every time the U.S. / U.K. etc. jump into the middle of arabs doing what arabs do to each other we make a bad situation much worse imo.

A lot of politics being posted tonight. Tut tut.

[Nickbat]

Yep a job for the UN,no matter how useless they are imo. Every time the U.S. / U.K. etc. jump into the middle of arabs doing what arabs do to each other we make a bad situation much worse imo.

A lot of politics being posted tonight. Tut tut.

Yes they are, but these times call for uselessness. With Russia and Syria claiming that the rebels attacked and with Britain and the US saying it was the Assad regime, it's time for a long drawn-out investigation. Far better than going to war there, IMHO.

[tigers_gonads]

Yep a job for the UN,no matter how useless they are imo. Every time the U.S. / U.K. etc. jump into the middle of arabs doing what arabs do to each other we make a bad situation much worse imo.

A lot of politics being posted tonight. Tut tut.

Yes they are, but these times call for uselessness. With Russia and Syria claiming that the rebels attacked and with Britain and the US saying it was the Assad regime, it's time for a long drawn-out investigation. Far better than going to war there, IMHO.

Serious head on for a moment ................ agree 100% with you on that 
The last thing we need is boots on the ground in a middle eastern country now or ever again.

Just dig a moat / build a wall around the lot of them and leave them to kill themselfs off 

[Rods2]

Yep a job for the UN,no matter how useless they are imo. Every time the U.S. / U.K. etc. jump into the middle of arabs doing what arabs do to each other we make a bad situation much worse imo.

A lot of politics being posted tonight. Tut tut.

Yes they are, but these times call for uselessness. With Russia and Syria claiming that the rebels attacked and with Britain and the US saying it was the Assad regime, it's time for a long drawn-out investigation. Far better than going to war there, IMHO.

That's why I think we need to be 100% certain who is behind the chemical attack and then I think the correct response would be bombing raids and / or drone attacks on the guilty leadership.

The West will have to do something to punish the side involved to show we will not sit on the sidelines and allow banned weapons to be used. Is the use of these weapons behind the US Al Qaeda warnings in Yemen and North Africa a few weeks ago?

[cleggy]

Yep a job for the UN,no matter how useless they are imo. Every time the U.S. / U.K. etc. jump into the middle of arabs doing what arabs do to each other we make a bad situation much worse imo.

A lot of politics being posted tonight. Tut tut.

Yes they are, but these times call for uselessness. With Russia and Syria claiming that the rebels attacked and with Britain and the US saying it was the Assad regime, it's time for a long drawn-out investigation. Far better than going to war there, IMHO.

Serious head on for a moment ................ agree 100% with you on that 
The last thing we need is boots on the ground in a middle eastern country now or ever again.

Just dig a moat / build a wall around the lot of them and leave them to kill themselfs off 

I just hope we keep our snout out of this. 

Hague just wants to be the tough guy, it comes from him being bullied at school