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[mantahatch]

so far the best use i've seen for a modern Haynes book,  was mark and TB using it to stand on to be able to reach in to the engine bay a little further.


the books are otherwise useless these days,  not because of a lack of written information, but because they're printed on such thin rubbish paper, you can read both pages from both sides of the sheet,  but can;t actually distinguish anything in any of the photographs.


(having relatively recently bought an astra manual ,  i am sorry to say i'm not actually joking.....   )

Thats funny, I have just bought an Astra mk5 book and thought it was more reasonable than the old ones. Paper is thicker and wiring diagrams a lot clearer if not quite as comprehensive as before. I wonder if you got an old stock one or something.

[cem_devecioglu]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

I work on my car in sundays.. but mostly polishing/cleaning/washing
 
back street garages are very cheap here.. main problem is parts are expensive not labour..
 
besides I define the mechanics how the job must be done, making them angry
 
but they have the experience that in cases they cant solve I do help

[cem_devecioglu]

and for haynes..
 
some pictures are helpful..  but explanations are inadequate for many cases.. TIS/EPC is more helpful imo..

[05omegav6]

I find the biggest issue with EPCs is they often move parts out of context to fit the page

[TheBoy]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

Definition of Static :- still saving up for the Transit tipper to pull it. ;D

I have a Jeep with an Irish Reg, dont need a Transit.....na na na na na.......

And what to pull the Jeep when it gets close to a verge, and gets stuck?

[Vamps]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

Definition of Static :- still saving up for the Transit tipper to pull it. ;D

I have a Jeep with an Irish Reg, dont need a Transit.....na na na na na.......

And what to pull the Jeep when it gets close to a verge, and gets stuck?

The Mig.......

[Andy B]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

Definition of Static :- still saving up for the Transit tipper to pull it. ;D

I have a Jeep with an Irish Reg, dont need a Transit.....na na na na na.......

And what to pull the Jeep when it gets close to a verge, and gets stuck?

The Mig.......

I could bring my R Class 

[Vamps]

Yep.Men don't work on the car on a Sunday now.They have progressed to cooking Sunday lunch.

And cleaning and washing and ironing while swmbo and Miss Vamps go to the caravan (Static).......

You have to keep saying 'static' don't you' Mike. Just in case we think you're a pikey like.

Definition of Static :- still saving up for the Transit tipper to pull it. ;D

I have a Jeep with an Irish Reg, dont need a Transit.....na na na na na.......

And what to pull the Jeep when it gets close to a verge, and gets stuck?

The Mig.......

I could bring my R Class 

With your pikey wagon on the back.....

[dbdb]

I find the biggest issue with EPCs is they often move parts out of context to fit the page

and with EPC4 having to use Internet Explorer instead of Firefox to get the images to display at all .

[omega3000]

I dont see anyone around here doing diy jobs on cars  Just me . It use to be every sunday folks would bring the spanners out . Most cars are old ish around here and as soon as they get trouble with them they just scrap and get another cheap car . Servicing dont happen , just run them into the ground and cube it