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[GastronomicKleptomaniac]

Christ P, awful news, all the best. Let me know if there's anything you need 

[albitz]

Terrible news Phil. I hope your lad is soon on the mend.

[05omegav6]

Any more news

We had one of our two Tibetan terriers put down because she suddenly started attacking anything that moved. Six years old and no explanation why just goes to show that even with best home, a docile friendly dog is, at the end of the day, still a dog...

[henryd]

Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.

There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)

Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.

Others? Well tune into Road Wars!

A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.

My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.

[Kate]

So sorry to hear about this. I hope your son makes a good recovery.

I had a Yorkshire terrier many years ago and from being a puppy it was very vicious. A lady came to my house once and when I opened the door Herbie the terrier flew at her. She was holding a white paper bag containing some buns from the bakers. He jumped up and grabbed the buns, biting them in half, and then ripping them to shreds. I was so embarrassed.

On another occasion I was leaving the house and went to open the front door.  Herbie spotted the neighbour across the road and he flew at him. The neighbor bent down to stroke him and he got a hell of a shock when Herbie bit his crotch.

I think some dogs can be vicious no matter what the breed or upbringing, just like people I suppose.

[tunnie]

Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.

There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)

Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.

Others? Well tune into Road Wars!

A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.

My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.

Poor sight? I think as dogs get older, with poor sight they don't know what's going on and can get snappy. But it's not their fault

[taitinson]

Dogs actions are completely (in my opinion) down to their up-bringing, it's how they are treated = reactions.

There is something in the breeds, when was the last time you heard of a Springer Spaniel doing this? However even the most aggressive dogs you see in the news, look at the owners? A well brought up dog, fed well and kept well would have not done this, not unless it was seriously provoked. (not saying that in this case here, as that's clear)

Look at the way some children are brought up, most respect the police, be polite, don't use violence, drugs ect.

Others? Well tune into Road Wars!

A friend at my last job had an Akita, lovely docile dog.

My sisters springer can be an evil mean bastard at times,my kids aren't allowed near it,its getting old now and will hopefully depart this world soon.

I had a rescue Springer, and he too could be a vicious little git, he was never allowed to be unattended around people who didn't know his capabilities or other dogs, but we lived a life that meant he wasn't a problem

[tigers_gonads]

Powerful dogs need a firm but also loving master from day one.

I've a 7 year old, 8 stone German / Belgian shepherd cross who I have had since he was 7 weeks old.
To put it bluntly, he scares the shite out of most people due to his size and his manor.
Basically, he is a bloody big puppy who thinks everybody is put on this planet to be his friend and play with him  BUT being a shepherd, his first instinct is to protect and if he see's you as a threat due to YOUR demeanour then you will get a warning 

He is my best mate and a member of my family and he gets treat as such but if he steps out of line then I have in the past slapped him around when he has done wrong and will do again if need be 

There is NO such thing as a bad or aggressive breed of dog, just piggin thick owners who just haven't got a clue how to bring one up 

If ANY dog has been brought up badly then it will be aggressive and uncontrollable and there is sweet F A anybody can do about it and if it can't be trusted then it should be put to sleep along with its owner 

A few on here are talking about breeds............. well here is my take on it 

A powerful dog is just a affectionate, loving, mild mannered and safe around children as a yapping handbag accessory that some folks seem to think are the ideal pet IF BROUGHT UP PROPERLY 
The Only difference is ............... the strength of the bite 


PhilRich, sorry to hear about your lad.
Hope he gets well soon       

[SteveAvfc.]

Well said well written. 

Hoping the boy makes a full recovery and doesn't adopt a fear of dogs they aren't all bad.

[cam2502]

Jeez. mustve been terrifying. Wishing the lad a speedy recovery. 

[PhilRich]

Update:

Hello everyone, thankyou all very much for your thoughtful good wishes, they were very well received by my lad (he is 34 by the way! ) and swmbo 
We visited late on tuesday when he came out of surgery and got a look at the pre-op photographs which were pretty nasty even after the wounds being cleaned up. He has muscle/tendon & ligament loss in the right forearm and the Radial and Anterior Interosseous Artery were punctured but thankfully not severed so although the blood loss was heavy (around 4 1/2 pints ) it wasn't catastrophic. He will need a muscle & tissue graft from his upper right thigh some time in the future and he goes back into theatre again tomorrow for more microsurgery. As for the dog, Akitas are not on the Dangerous Dogs List and the attack happened on Private Property so the Police have no powers to remove the dog, only strongly suggest to the owner that the next attack (if there were one) may end up with a more serious scenario!) I will keep you all up to date as it progresses. Once again, many, many thanks for your concern & good wishes. Kindest Regards, Phil.

[Shackeng]

Update:

Hello everyone, thankyou all very much for your thoughtful good wishes, they were very well received by my lad (he is 34 by the way! ) and swmbo 
We visited late on tuesday when he came out of surgery and got a look at the pre-op photographs which were pretty nasty even after the wounds being cleaned up. He has muscle/tendon & ligament loss in the right forearm and the Radial and Anterior Interosseous Artery were punctured but thankfully not severed so although the blood loss was heavy (around 4 1/2 pints ) it wasn't catastrophic. He will need a muscle & tissue graft from his upper right thigh some time in the future and he goes back into theatre again tomorrow for more microsurgery. As for the dog, Akitas are not on the Dangerous Dogs List and the attack happened on Private Property so the Police have no powers to remove the dog, only strongly suggest to the owner that the next attack (if there were one) may end up with a more serious scenario!) I will keep you all up to date as it progresses. Once again, many, many thanks for your concern & good wishes. Kindest Regards, Phil.

Sounds very nasty Phil, and also as if it could have been so very much worse. Best wishes to son for further improvement.

Note to self, always keep the Stillsons handy.

[taitinson]

Good to hear he's on the mend 

[Entwood]

Glad to hear he's on the mend 

This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)

If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.

The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.

Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO

[Lazydocker]

Glad to hear he's on the mend 

This may sound a tad mercenary, but ensure you get a crime report number from the police, and FULL details of the owners insurance (if they have any). There are grounds here for a claim for loss of earnings, pain, suffering, and any further expenses that may be incurred both now and in the future. (medication/travel/clothing etc etc)

If the owners have Public Liability Insurance, which is usually part of pet insurance anyway, the claim is against that. If not and they have household insurance there may be a claim against that, failing that the claim is simply against the owners.

The fact that the dog belongs to a friend should not be considered at all.

Hard rules I know, but the sooner you get your head around this and start the ball rolling the better.... IMHO

Absolutely... Your boy must, must, must claim on the insurance/against the owners. The fact it's a friend makes it awkward but should also push for destruction of the animal For it to have made such a savage attack it may well do it again.

I know that it's harsh but if my soppy Lab were to bite savagely attack someone I would never trust her again and if she was given the chance to do it again then........