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[Webby the Bear]

  Wouldnt say i'm starting to smell of wee. but i'm using the toilet more often, need to be in bed by 9pm and am rather fond of nights in in front of the tv 

re the vxr8..... it was quality being hurled round the track like a nut case. but for the reasons above i now like to waft to and from places

[pscocoa]

The Phaeton is very quick - even the V6 diesel as some arse found out in a Range Rover trying to cut everyone up. He was very annoyed and tried to undertake - forget it mate...

[Webby the Bear]

The Phaeton is very quick - even the V6 diesel as some arse found out in a Range Rover trying to cut everyone up. He was very annoyed and tried to undertake - forget it mate...

i imagine that like the omega they're poor off the line but immense at acceleration above 60.

[Webby the Bear]

plus guys, how noisy are these diseasal versions? and whats the best diesel engine? anyone also know what this blue motion thing is 

[Webby the Bear]

oh and forgive my stupidity (well, lack of experience with diesels) but where would the DPF be located? and if i could take it out and inspect presumably this would give a good idea of how well its been working (or not so)

[Marks DTM Calib]

You need to answer the question.....is the vehilce going to do short journeys?

[cem_devecioglu]

Webby, if you dont want any headaches for you and them, go for honda,mazda models.. 

No experience with Honda, but Mazda are indeed quite reliable. BUT, if they do fail, parts are massively expensive. £390 for a maf for an example of first hand experience.


As an Omege replacement I have two options. Phaeton or vxr8.

I still have sporting requirements from my cars though, so the vxr8 is favourite. But I would be very happy with a Phaeton. Very happy indeed.

although not small, Accords are ultra and sedan civics surprisingly reliable.. here you can buy Honda civics with BRC lpg set and 6 years warranty  my friends who bought those nearly forget about servicing

agreed with the prices though mazda especially 6 and accord part prices not cheap..

honestly Phaeton would never be in my list..  its too big for a madly crowded city.. and too complex engines.. there are many to go wrong even if I ignore the fuel prices..
 

[Webby the Bear]

You need to answer the question.....is the vehilce going to do short journeys?

it more than likely will be but long enough to get it up to temp.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Then the diesel is of no use to them.

And in fact will not be economical and will have issues with the DPF clogging up.

[Webby the Bear]

Webby, if you dont want any headaches for you and them, go for honda,mazda models.. 

No experience with Honda, but Mazda are indeed quite reliable. BUT, if they do fail, parts are massively expensive. £390 for a maf for an example of first hand experience.


As an Omege replacement I have two options. Phaeton or vxr8.

I still have sporting requirements from my cars though, so the vxr8 is favourite. But I would be very happy with a Phaeton. Very happy indeed.

although not small, Accords are ultra and sedan civics surprisingly reliable.. here you can buy Honda civics with BRC lpg set and 6 years warranty  my friends who bought those nearly forget about servicing

agreed with the prices though mazda especially 6 and accord part prices not cheap..

honestly Phaeton would never be in my list..  its too big for a madly crowded city.. and too complex engines.. there are many to go wrong even if I ignore the fuel prices..

whilst i completely agree that hondas are bulletproof i think we're talking about two different gulfs of car.

the pheaton is a luxury car and is partly why they want one after all they START at £48k. and we're lucky enough in this climate (from a buyers point of view) where they depreciate so heavily that theyre affordable to the likes of my ma and pa.

[cem_devecioglu]

I think now its time to ask,

all services and mechanics here advice that when you reach destination point dont stop the engine (diesels) immediately , instead wait for turbo too cool down for some time.. is that correct  ?

[Marks DTM Calib]

The issue is that diesels do naff mileage on shorter runs (remember also they take MUCH longer to get to temperature than petrols).

Worse still, the DPF has to regenerate at regular intervals (circa 1k miles) and for this to happen it needs to be:

1) Upto temperature
2) Driven at idealy greater than 2000rpm for circa 10 minutes

Failure to do so results in the DPF clogging up needing major work to sort out.

[Webby the Bear]

Then the diesel is of no use to them.

And in fact will not be economical and will have issues with the DPF clogging up.

Hmm interesting. once again, Mark, ignoring my ignorance..... are DPFs easily changeable ilke an oil filter?

or would you suggest the petrol version is the way forward 9assuming they can cope with the 16 urban mpg's  )


on the plus side if they had the petrol i'd feel more comfortable around it as sadly not done much work on diesels

[cem_devecioglu]

Webby, if you dont want any headaches for you and them, go for honda,mazda models.. 

No experience with Honda, but Mazda are indeed quite reliable. BUT, if they do fail, parts are massively expensive. £390 for a maf for an example of first hand experience.


As an Omege replacement I have two options. Phaeton or vxr8.

I still have sporting requirements from my cars though, so the vxr8 is favourite. But I would be very happy with a Phaeton. Very happy indeed.

although not small, Accords are ultra and sedan civics surprisingly reliable.. here you can buy Honda civics with BRC lpg set and 6 years warranty  my friends who bought those nearly forget about servicing

agreed with the prices though mazda especially 6 and accord part prices not cheap..

honestly Phaeton would never be in my list..  its too big for a madly crowded city.. and too complex engines.. there are many to go wrong even if I ignore the fuel prices..

whilst i completely agree that hondas are bulletproof i think we're talking about two different gulfs of car.

the pheaton is a luxury car and is partly why they want one after all they START at £48k. and we're lucky enough in this climate (from a buyers point of view) where they depreciate so heavily that theyre affordable to the likes of my ma and pa.

point is Webby, an affordable car does not mean low maintenance costs

[Webby the Bear]

sorry, must type faster