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[Webby the Bear]

Webby, if you dont want any headaches for you and them, go for honda,mazda models.. 

No experience with Honda, but Mazda are indeed quite reliable. BUT, if they do fail, parts are massively expensive. £390 for a maf for an example of first hand experience.


As an Omege replacement I have two options. Phaeton or vxr8.

I still have sporting requirements from my cars though, so the vxr8 is favourite. But I would be very happy with a Phaeton. Very happy indeed.

although not small, Accords are ultra and sedan civics surprisingly reliable.. here you can buy Honda civics with BRC lpg set and 6 years warranty  my friends who bought those nearly forget about servicing

agreed with the prices though mazda especially 6 and accord part prices not cheap..

honestly Phaeton would never be in my list..  its too big for a madly crowded city.. and too complex engines.. there are many to go wrong even if I ignore the fuel prices..

whilst i completely agree that hondas are bulletproof i think we're talking about two different gulfs of car.

the pheaton is a luxury car and is partly why they want one after all they START at £48k. and we're lucky enough in this climate (from a buyers point of view) where they depreciate so heavily that theyre affordable to the likes of my ma and pa.

point is Webby, an affordable car doesn not mean low maintenance costs

completely agree mate.... hence the thread on the search for info  to see what i can do and cant 

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think now its time to ask,

all services and mechanics here advice that when you reach destination point dont stop the engine (diesels) immediately , instead wait for turbo too cool down for some time.. is that correct  ?

Older systems yes Cem, although not for longer than 30 seconds or so or it can make things worse (oil seeping past the turbo bearings for example).

The idea being that it gives the turbo an opportunity to cool down off load.

However, diesel exhaust temps are pretty low anyway so not really an issue with diesels plus the performance petrol engines have systems built in to support more controlled cool down and again the exhaust gas temperature are often much less (gone are the days of Saab Turbos with see throguh bright orange stinking hot manifolds).

The sensible/practical approach is to do your last mile or so of your journey with a lighter foot.

[cem_devecioglu]

I think now its time to ask,

all services and mechanics here advice that when you reach destination point dont stop the engine (diesels) immediately , instead wait for turbo too cool down for some time.. is that correct  ?

Older systems yes Cem, although not for longer than 30 seconds or so or it can make things worse (oil seeping past the turbo bearings for example).

The idea being that it gives the turbo an opportunity to cool down off load.

However, diesel exhaust temps are pretty low anyway so not really an issue with diesels plus the performance petrol engines have systems built in to support more controlled cool down and again the exhaust gas temperature are often much less (gone are the days of Saab Turbos with see throguh bright orange stinking hot manifolds).

The sensible/practical approach is to do your last mile or so of your journey with a lighter foot.

thanks for the info

[tunnie]

There is something about Phaeton, still something puts me off. Interior is not quite right somehow, I find the same with all VW's, lacking soul maybe? (just personal thing) - Dunno, maybe I need to drive one. 

Lot of car for the money: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310229396126/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

Can get a Jag diesel for about same age miles, I just feel there would be more of a "DIY" attitude with these.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201309028583014/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/xj/make/jaguar/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

I've driven one, be it a V8, so think I need to try a Phaeton at some point 

[Webby the Bear]

Forgive my previous question re DPFs.... ''are they easily replaceable''. lol

Well they are but they're the same size as a cat. converter where as I assumed it would be something the size of an oil filter 

SO. Presumably if a diesel one was purchased then this as well as regular oil changes would probably be good to replace immediately?

[tunnie]

Think Mark implied these are a big job on these, no doubt replacement of them. But depends how far up the zorst they are 

I understand they drop unburnt fuel down there to ignite, get the cat hot and burn off all the crap. If that could not shift it, if removed, could it even be cleaned?

Other things put me off diesels, such as turbo's when they fail that is a buck load of cash. Something to be said for the "simple" 4pot/V6 setup, no DPF, no turbos, just keep feeding it fresh oil 

[Webby the Bear]

Think Mark implied these are a big job on these, no doubt replacement of them. But depends how far up the zorst they are 

I understand they drop unburnt fuel down there to ignite, get the cat hot and burn off all the crap. If that could not shift it, if removed, could it even be cleaned?

Other things put me off diesels, such as turbo's when they fail that is a buck load of cash. Something to be said for the "simple" 4pot/V6 setup, no DPF, no turbos, just keep feeding it fresh oil 

Couldn't agree more. I have only very basic theory of diesels and the most I've don't on one is a service. The turbo is also something I am concerned about. More to go wrong!

However, i'll take all the advice on board and check out those sites that pscoco posted 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

There is something about Phaeton, still something puts me off. Interior is not quite right somehow, I find the same with all VW's, lacking soul maybe? (just personal thing) - Dunno, maybe I need to drive one. 

Lot of car for the money: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310229396126/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

Can get a Jag diesel for about same age miles, I just feel there would be more of a "DIY" attitude with these.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201309028583014/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/xj/make/jaguar/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

I've driven one, be it a V8, so think I need to try a Phaeton at some point 

 The Jag has more 'soul' and a less corporate feel to it.


Check out the 'Owners Ratings'.......nineteen inch wheels and between £260 and £330 for each tyre.

[tunnie]

There is something about Phaeton, still something puts me off. Interior is not quite right somehow, I find the same with all VW's, lacking soul maybe? (just personal thing) - Dunno, maybe I need to drive one. 

Lot of car for the money: http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201310229396126/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/phaeton/make/volkswagen/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

Can get a Jag diesel for about same age miles, I just feel there would be more of a "DIY" attitude with these.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201309028583014/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-mileage/up_to_80000_miles/fuel-type/diesel/model/xj/make/jaguar/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/radius/1500/postcode/w39ej/page/1?logcode=p

I've driven one, be it a V8, so think I need to try a Phaeton at some point 

The Jag has more 'soul' and a less corporate feel to it.

That's what I thought too 

[pscocoa]

Going back to the DPF some users have confused a failed Differential Pressure Sensor with a DPF problem and of course the VW manual advises to replace a complete assembly with piping etc when several of the guys just replace the sensor itself at modest cost and they report reasonable performance even around town. On the website you will see that few issues with DPF itself.

[05omegav6]

  Webby, DPF 101 pay attention...

Diesel Particulate Filter. Basically a soot collector. It's part of the exhaust system, so technically a few bolts to change. But...

there's a couple of catches. They are designed to self clean or regenerate. For this to happen, the engine must be fully up to temp, engine speed becomes raised, as they regenerate by adding fuel, which ignites in the filter, burning off the soot. Ideally this happens whilst cruising along a nice empty motorway, not just as you arrive at the shops.

Unfortunately this is the real world, not and ideal second universe so the DPF will clog up and fail, then you're looking at stoopid money for a new one, the posher the car the more ridiculous the price.

Tempting as 60+mpg is, I could, and would never, ever consider a diesel for a taxi, unless it was brand spankers and I was able to bin it when the warranty runs out. The reason being simply that the fuel savings won't cover the inevitable repair costs.

Whilst the Phaeton, on the face of looks like the bargain of the century, something tells me it will be a liability to anyone one a budget, unless they can afford to buy new.

Tempting as the Phaeton is, the ruinous repair costs aside, the typical VW mismatched armrest/door handles would do my head in, my £12k Altea would have annoyed me more if it hadn't been so cheap to buy:-X

Can safely say I'm with Tunnie on this one

Chris, in answer to your earlier post, I was refering to your choice as much of a hell raiser as Webby is, I can't for the life of me imagine his parents in a VXR8  whereas I think the Phaeton would probably end up irritating the hell out of you, simply because it isn't LS powered

[tunnie]

Can safely say I'm with Tunnie on this one

*screenshots page 

[pscocoa]

Webby - if your parents do not need a great deal of space then you could try the Mercedes C280 Sport Auto - my son just bought a 2008 and he is very very happy with it so far. This is a 3 litre petrol - very nice to drive and very smooth. You can get them from £10/11k  depending on the toy level and fair mileage. Much more compact than Phaeton and would be a little more suited to their needs I suspect reading between the lines.

I use the Phaeton for minimum 30 mile journeys but usually 220 miles or 260 miles non stop (or almost non stop if SWMBO wakes up).

[Webby the Bear]

Thanks for all the info chaps. Very much appreciated

As for the styling I absolutely love it. As do mummy and daddy bear but i'll certainly look at the merc as an option 

as taxi mentions, on the face of it it looks a GREAT deal but as we talk more and more about it, it may not be the ideal car.

however, ive started this quest for further info so ill finish  if I find out any more interesting titbits ill update 

[tunnie]

What kind of miles will they be doing?

If talking 10k+ easy a year, then I would be concerned. (costs of service)

However if we are talking long journeys but rare, sub 5k miles a year, it should not cost too much