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Shall i add LPG or not??

Yes
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No
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Engine won't last
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Not worth the outlay
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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #45 on: 02 June 2008, 15:47:52 »

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i think i would personally only ever fit LPG to a Omega estate.

Because you can fit a doughnut in the spare wheel, and not a huge tank taking up half the boot in a saloon.

You loose a lot of boot space, and means you cannot put the seats down for large loads, which i have done quite often.

Estate, you get the benifits of LPG with none of the draw backs.


There is a vertical doughnut tank available which will *just* fit in the saloon spare wheel area. Mine was a very tight squeeze but would hold approx 55 litres with no loss of boot space.

A slightly smaller version is also available which hides neatly behind the original spare wheel cover. Both are made by Stako to current R67-01 spec. Will try to find a pic later.

Tanks available from http://www.wtv-uk.co.uk

Carry a squirty foam puncture sealant or a space saver (eBay) to get you home.

Saab space saver fits mine - £15 off eBay.
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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #46 on: 02 June 2008, 16:00:04 »

I'd be interested if you can recall which vertical tank you used.

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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #47 on: 02 June 2008, 22:41:26 »

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I'd be interested if you can recall which vertical tank you used.

Kevin

650 x 250mm 64 litre Stako from WTV. That holds approx 51 litres of lpg, which enabled me to travel from Bristol to Penrith.  It's a * very* tight fit but will go in if you persevere with it.  I pre-assembled the convoluted vent pipes to exit the body behind the bumper and was able to pull them into place with a stiff piece of wire.

The tank was secured to a hidden length of angle iron which I bolted to the body reinforcing web just above the rear wheel arch. You can use the redundant spare wheel retaining strap to prevent the tank rattling, but it must be securely fastened to the vehicle body by a strong steel strap or bar for safety and to comply with installation regs.

If you're not too bothered about range then the smaller 630 x 225mm 53 litre is a simpler installation. That holds approx 42 litres of lpg.



650mm is max possible diameter.

I glued some offcuts from rubber floor mats in place above and below the tank to stop it rattling against the bodywork.



And you won't squeeze in anything fatter than 250mm either





The spare wheel cover can be held in place with a bit of velcro glued to the tank



A small gap between the wheel cover and boot edge is all that gives away the tank's presence.




I've got some more pics from OMVL Dream XX1n installations on saloon and estate Omega stored on another computer which I'll post if I can find them anytime soon...

Regards,

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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #48 on: 02 June 2008, 22:55:55 »

Thanks. :y

I looked into that tank size and couldn't be 100% sure it'd work. I could see it was going to be a right pain if it fitted at all. :-/

Since it looks like a cylinder tank is also going to be a pain with my removable tow bar I'm starting to wonder.

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« Reply #49 on: 03 June 2008, 09:58:09 »

Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #50 on: 03 June 2008, 10:00:43 »

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Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
The problem is my towbar has a reinforcing plate that runs back along the top of the boot floor. It will foul the tank frame.

I doubt it's a show stopper but it's a pain. Worst case I'll have to get a shin breaker I guess. :(

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« Reply #51 on: 03 June 2008, 10:11:57 »

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Can't see it being a problem - my tank was fitted after the tow bar, not easy the other way round
The problem is my towbar has a reinforcing plate that runs back along the top of the boot floor. It will foul the tank frame.

I doubt it's a show stopper but it's a pain. Worst case I'll have to get a shin breaker I guess. :(

Kevin

Do you have piccies?
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« Reply #52 on: 03 June 2008, 10:19:47 »

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Have a Koltec (Teleflex) system on my Astra. Runs fine, but very expensive if a fault develops - £ silly for new injectors. Veil of secrecy regarding software, so you have to get a dealer to do anything technical and that's big bucks. I've heard a few say this system can be fragile.

I've had problems with water ingress into the multipin connectors in the past and a problem with the engine's EGR valve that upset the LPG system, but that aside it's worked well for 100k+ miles.

I have OMVL Dream XX1n sequential injection fitted to 2.5V6 auto which returns 22-23mpg on average @ 49p per litre. This works off the engine's ECU signals to the petrol injectors, so you don't get fault lamp issues.

The trip computer works properly in LPG mode as does the cruise control with this system. You can also experiment with mapping to get best performance and economy as the software is generic. Had this for 80k miles with only a solenoid failure (£25) to blemish its record.

Vogas system supposedly works well, too as it is a similar slave type system. Available from http://www.wtv-uk.co.uk.

Opinion - go for it!

Thanks for the info :y
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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #53 on: 03 June 2008, 10:26:06 »

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Do you have piccies?

Not to hand but it's a pretty substantial contoured plate of metal about 4mm thick (probably more like 10mm due to the contours) that runs from the 3 towbar mounting bolt holes under the boot sill trim panel back to the 2 mounting bolts that go through the crossmember behind the diff.

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« Reply #54 on: 03 June 2008, 13:20:07 »

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Do you have piccies?

Not to hand but it's a pretty substantial contoured plate of metal about 4mm thick (probably more like 10mm due to the contours) that runs from the 3 towbar mounting bolt holes under the boot sill trim panel back to the 2 mounting bolts that go through the crossmember behind the diff.

Kevin


Tank would go either side
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« Reply #55 on: 03 June 2008, 14:19:28 »

After a deep search and many phone calls .This brand (prins)  is considered to be best in my country..But prices are a bit high..

also have a distributor in UK..

http://www.prinslpgnetwork.com/locations.html

http://www.prinslpgnetwork.com/lpg_fuel_20050628.html
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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #56 on: 04 June 2008, 14:24:50 »

Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker.  ;)

Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y

A bit of fun and games ahead for me.  :)

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« Reply #57 on: 04 June 2008, 14:44:22 »

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Well, the deed is done. One V6 Front end and 4 hole 80 litre tank winging its' way to me. I will make it all fit somehow, even if I have to ditch the removable towbar for a shin breaker.  ;)

Went for a 4 hole tank because the single hole multivalve is marginal with the 3.2's output power according to Jeremy due to the fact that they have a 6mm liquid pickup pipe in the limited available space. Although I may well have got away with it in practice I don't like engines going lean at full throttle. Added advantage is that the filler valve is bigger bore, too, so it will fill faster. :y

A bit of fun and games ahead for me.  :)

Kevin

From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same  ;D :y
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« Reply #58 on: 04 June 2008, 15:00:08 »

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From my previous experiences with LPG , as you start to travel more than before consumables costs ( ie brake pads, filters, oil and sparks ) increase ..So total cost again is same  ;D :y

I suspect the cost of petrol is the only thing stopping my right foot being used more heavily too, so you may be right.  ::)

Still, it'll keep me out of trouble for a week or two.

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Re: Shall i fit LPG??
« Reply #59 on: 04 June 2008, 15:02:55 »

I'm sure it will all go fine, you have experience of doing these anyway .. :)

You also have Patrick up the road at Alresford if things go horribly wrong, I'm sure he'd help !!!  

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