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Biker 1

4 (8%)

Biker 2

26 (52%)

Police officer

14 (28%)

Stemo - its always his fault

6 (12%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: 23 January 2014, 15:10:01

[Marks DTM Calib]

So an interesting one this, I know my thoughts but what about the rest:

http://btst.co.uk/PoliceCauseAccident/?inf_contact_key=d9f38e04489548a600e0826035271ebeb8964ed2294399adad82181925fd1bed

[blackviper90210]

The Police officer for stopping anyone in fog on a bend!!

The 2nd biker, going by his speedo, too fast in the conditions. (I'm/was a biker)

[Gaffers]

My gut instinct was that all 3 share the blame, although not equally.  The bikers were travelling well in excess of the limit in very poor visibility, the copper was quite foolish standing in the road that late and getting them to stop like that, although he is within his rights as a Warranted Officer of the law to do so.  He probably should have signalled for them to pull in when possible and if they didn't then pursue with the blues and twos on.

In terms of balance of the blame though, Biker no2 gets the majority of it, IMO although Esty is to blame for everything.....I mean everything! 

[brendan1983]

Had the policeman not stood out in the road like that the first biker could have pulled over more - however the bike behind could have come off the brakes and gone past (although looks like he just panicked)

In the eye's of the law probable the second biker at fault - but you could argue it forever

[henryd]

That second biker was close on a ton when he anchored up,following too close to stop,could have been a kid on the road and  not a copper.

[Dan282]

Standing in the middle of the road when he saw on the speed gun what speed they were doing?? Doopy mr plod IMO.

[Steve B]

copper caused that accident 100% 

[Jusme]

Just bear in mind... The Police are "NEVER WRONG"... 

[Marks DTM Calib]

For me, its all about route cause and there is but a single (or possibly two) route causes here 

[Gaffers]

For me, its all about route cause and there is but a single (or possibly two) route causes here 

The copper placing himself in a dangerous position on a bend in the fog

(and that's before he walked out in to the road)

[martin42]

Agree with guffer,what a stupid time with weather conditions,doing a speed trap on a bend and expecting a bike to stop straight away,surely a camera van would have been better and safer.

[chrisgixer]

No copper, no prang. Simple.

However the law will say, be prepared to stop at all times.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Its interesting for me, a key reason to post this was to see where we were as a collective with respect to blame.

What if it was not a copper but a lorry pulling out a layby or a large combine going in the opposite direction taking up most of the road.

[AndyRoid]

For me, its all about route cause and there is but a single (or possibly two) route causes here 

The copper placing himself in a dangerous position on a bend in the fog

(and that's before he walked out in to the road)

What if it had been an escaped animal that ran out in to the road?

While biker no:2 is definitely to blame for driving at an excessive speed, the bulk of the ingredients required for the accident were put in place by the copper who already had a suspicion that the bike was speeding so he has to share some blame.

[chrisgixer]

That road looks for all the world like the mountain section on the Isle of Man. If so, the copper is loopy as there is no speed limit at all on that section.

Presume its not the Isle of Man then.