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[Sir Tigger KC]

So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? 

[05omegav6]

So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? 

Aspartame by a country mile

[Stemo]

So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? 

Who cares? Our parents ate everything they could get, sugar, salt, fat, etc. The difference being that they didn't eat preservatives and colourings, that's where all the shit lies.

[Stemo]

So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? 

Aspartame by a country mile

We've had all this aspartame crap before, conspiracy theory.

[Stemo]

An elaborate health scare,[7] involving a hoax conspiracy theory disseminated on many Internet websites, attributes a host of deleterious medical effects to aspartame. This theory claims that the FDA approval process of aspartame was tainted[12][26][27] and cites as its source an email based upon a supposed talk by a "Nancy Markle" (the author has never come forward) at a "World Environmental Conference".[12][26][28] Specifically, the hoax websites allege that aspartame is responsible for multiple sclerosis, systemic lupus, and methanol toxicity, causing "blindness, spasms, shooting pains, seizures, headaches, depression, anxiety, memory loss, birth defects" and death.[6] A proliferation of websites, many with sensationalist urls, are filled with anecdotal claims and medical misinformation.[29] The Markle hoax and its extended argument on "aspartamekills.com" have not been supported by medical studies.[30] The email has been described as an "Internet smear campaign ... Its contents were entirely false, misleading, and defamatory to various popular products and their manufacturers, with no basis whatever in fact."[8]
The "Markle" email says that there is a conspiracy between the FDA and the producers of aspartame, and the conspiracy theory has become a canonical example discussed on several Internet conspiracy theory and urban legend websites.[12][31] Although most of the allegations of this theory contradict the bulk of medical evidence,[26] the misinformation has spread around the world as chain emails since mid-December 1998,[12] influencing many websites[31] as an urban legend that continues to scare consumers.[26] The Media Awareness Network featured one version of it in a tutorial on how to determine the credibility of a web page. The tutorial implied that the "Markle" letter was not credible and stated that it should not be used as an authoritative source of information.[6]
Dean Edell warned very strongly against the "Markle" letter:
Beware The E-Mail Hoax: The Evils Of Nutrasweet (Aspartame)
A highly inaccurate "chain letter" is being circulated via e-mail warning the reader of the health dangers of aspartame (Nutrasweet) diet drinks. There is so much scientific untruth in it, it's scary. Be careful, because others know how to manipulate you by this. Just because something is beyond your comprehension doesn't mean it is scientific. The e-mail is outrageous enough to state that the Multiple Sclerosis Foundation is suing the FDA for collusion with Monsanto ... Bogus, totally bogus. You've got to be careful of these Internet hoaxes. When you read health information online, be sure to know the source of the information you are reading, okay?[9]

[cleggy]

What the freak has Stemo been drinking.

[cem_devecioglu]

"Aspartame is a non-calorie artificial sweetener comprised of methanol, phenylalanine and aspartic acid"

that explains enough , imo..

[Taxi_Driver]

Well, i dont know about sugar......except ive just poured 4Kgs of it into a fermenter 

[cem_devecioglu]

and thats the best I found which explains why ..

"
Why is Aspartame Harmful to Your Health? To put it simply, aspartame is toxic to your nervous system.  Enough exposure to aspartame can lead to nerve cell death. 
Aspartame - also know as 1-aspartyl 1 phenylalanine methyl ester - is made up of the following components:
 

• Wood Alcohol (methanol) - about 10%
• Phenylalanine - about 50%
• Aspartic acid - about 40%

Problems with Wood Alcohol The United States Environmental Protective Agency says that the average person can consume 7.8 milligrams of wood alcohol per day without negative effects - some cans of diet soda have been found to have double this amount. 
Although wood alcohol naturally occurs in some of the foods that we eat, it doesn't come naturally bound to amino acids as it does in aspartame.  Rather, in nature, wood alcohol typically comes attached to fiber that allows it to pass through the digestive tract without being absorbed into the bloodstream.
Since wood alcohol that comes with aspartame doesn't have fiber to keep it out of your bloodstream, just about all of it gets absorbed into your blood, where it can spontaneously convert to formaldehyde, a poisonous substance that is an established carcinogen. 
Metabolism of formaldehyde in your body can lead to the production of formate, a waste product that, if accumulated in large amounts, can cause metabolic acidosis and ensuing blindness, kidney damage, and even death.  Clearly, this could only potentially happen if you consume extremely large quantities of aspartame and your body's buffering mechanisms fail to prevent metabolic acidosis."


"
Problems with Phenylalanine When exposed to high temperatures or simply stored for a long period of time, aspartame breaks down into a few different compounds, one of which is aspartylphenylalanine diketopiperazine (DKP). 
There is some evidence to suggest that DKP can undergo a nitrosation process in the stomach, which can lead to the production of a chemical that may cause brain tumors.
Since many food products and beverages are exposed to extremely high temperatures during distribution and storage, especially in areas of the world where the climate is hot year-round, the presence of and potential harmful effects of DKP become more worrisome in regions and countries that are closer to the equator.
Also, it's worth noting that whenever your body is exposed to a sudden surge in phenylalanine, the break down of phenylalanine to a larger-than-normal supply of neurotransmitters (L-dopa, norepinephrine, and epinephrine) may create imbalances in nerve signaling that may cause any number of symptoms, including:
 

• Anxiety attacks and nervousness
• Seizures
• Headaches
• Heart palpitations"

"
Problems with Aspartic Acid Like phenylalanine, aspartic acid is an amino acid that naturally occurs in foods.  When your body obtains these amino acids along with other naturally occurring amino acids, enzymes, vitamins, and minerals, your cells can put phenylalanine and aspartic acid to use for normal metabolic activities. 
When you introduce abnormally large amounts of phenylalanine and aspartic acid (synthetically bound together by an ester bond) into your bloodstream - which is exactly what happens whenever you drink a can of soda that is sweetened with aspartame - your cells can be overwhelmed.
Specifically, a surge in aspartic acid can lead to over-stimulation of nerve cells and sometimes even nerve cell death - this overstimulation is what Dr. Blaylock refers to as excitotoxicity.
The risk of experiencing nerve cell death from ingesting too much aspartame is higher in people who smoke, have high blood pressure, or have diabetes, as all of these factors potentially increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier that is supposed to protect your nerve cells against excitotoxins.  It's safe to assume that the more your overall health is compromised, the more susceptible your nerve cells are to the toxic effects of aspartic acid. 
Pregnant and nursing moms should know that babies in the womb and newborns are particularly susceptible to having aspartic acid cross the blood-brain barrier, so it's especially advisable to avoid aspartame during these times."

[05omegav6]

All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally

[cem_devecioglu]

now ,  if we think logically , any product selling in high amounts and returning high sums of money is an industry itself..

so the producer will pay any amount to "hired" scientists and take positive reports.. also its valid for the competing sugar sector..  however, even without experience in chemistry labs (I have) , you can easily "feel" those chemicals are not "friendly"..

[Stemo]

All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally

Caffeine.

[Rods2]

Eating and drinking are quite obviously detrimental to our very long term health, so best we give them up. I'm sure there is a serious flaw somewhere in this plan, can anybody spot it? 

The problem is that there are so many conflicting studies on what is good / bad for us and this changes all of the time. Eggs were bad for us, but apparently they are now back in fashion and considered good for us.

IMO you can't beat a balanced diet of home cooked meals which includes plenty of white meat, fish and veg and wholegrain carbs. My weaknesses are a good steak and also mature cheddar cheese.

Fortunately, I've never had a sweet tooth, very rarely eat a chocolate or confectionery, never added sugar to tea or coffee and never added it to two shredded wheat for breakfast. Normally only have a savory dish for a meal with occasionally a yogurt afterwards, which is high in sugar.

Most processed food contain large amounts of sugar and salt and as much fat as they can get away with as they are all cheap preservatives, so a frozen meal will survive a hot car taking it home and a half used can of beans etc will keep for a few days in the fridge.

[05omegav6]

All I know is that Redbull etc contain gallons of the stuff, and I know first hand just how much overconsumption of Redbull et al really screws you up physically and mentally

Caffeine.

Caffeine does the mental/nervous damage, but the bone/kidney damage

[D]

So which is worse refined sugar or aspartame? 

Aspartame by a country mile

Why?