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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2008, 12:52:33 »

Now that is worrying.
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2008, 12:54:44 »

It doesn't bother me, I will be living in France within the next ten years ::)
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« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2008, 12:55:36 »

Firstly keep the coal ones going regardless - we have enough military handle the EU if they get stupid, and I am sure the French would be on our side!

Start building nuclear today, not tomorrow but this afternoon.

Why can't we get another year or two from the existing ones?

Get shops to turn off lights at night, do the motorways really need lights on all night, vehicles do have headlamps.
Same with street lighting.

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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2008, 12:56:39 »

Typical global warming con. >:( The goverment are so concerned about hitting their emmisson targets they let the country go to ruin at our expense. We have a mountain of coal but can not use it,we sell off all our businesses to overseas companies then the green lobby get pissed off when we mention nuclear power. I for one hate the look of wind turbines and they generate such little power for their size. :(
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2008, 12:57:48 »

We're doomed.  >:(

That's what happens when your government doesn't think past tomorrow's headlines or, occasionally, an impending election.

If the country doesn't have a stable, professionally drawn up energy policy that is adhered to and not changed every fourtnight to counter tabloid headlines, there is no climate in which our (private sector) energy industry will invest. No investment means a crumbling infrastructure.

It's no different for water supply, the rail network, roads, telecomms, etc.

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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2008, 12:58:00 »

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Firstly keep the coal ones going regardless - we have enough military handle the EU if they get stupid, and I am sure the French would be on our side!

Start building nuclear today, not tomorrow but this afternoon.

Why can't we get another year or two from the existing ones?

Get shops to turn off lights at night, do the motorways really need lights on all night, vehicles do have headlamps.
Same with street lighting.

That is soo true regards the motorway lighting, we could extend that to all the pointless sets of traffic lights out there as well,
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2008, 13:00:42 »

Build nuclear power plants in all cities and the warm generated will save the heating bills for millions  :y

Nothing supprises me anymore
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2008, 16:35:29 »

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It doesn't bother me, I will be living in France within the next ten years ::)

So shall I be. Would have been there this year, but, our buyer pulled out. Have you a Department in mind?
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2008, 16:45:35 »

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It doesn't bother me, I will be living in France within the next ten years ::)

So shall I be. Would have been there this year, but, our buyer pulled out. Have you a Department in mind?
I wanted to go sooner rather than later but weve only just got our youngest daughter to move out (at our expence) now the eldest is have a baby in September so ive got no chance of getting the wife to shift herself :( Northern France is to expensive due to the brits buying up and Southern France is to hot, so somewhere in the middleish. My Sister in Law had a place in Chateau Briant and I loved it there :y
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2008, 17:17:31 »

Interesting how they never quote the actual generating capacity in the UK, or the growth in usage.  They only quote what may be lost as a percentage of use.  This assumes zero extra capacity in the system.
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« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2008, 17:56:19 »

That's it, I'm off to Malta! :o

Sounds like 'our world' in the UK is about to come tumbling down! :'( :'(   It is not surprising really, with (as the article states) successive governments ignoring the growing lack of increased electricity generation capability (nuclear or anything else) with dramatically escalating demand.  Something has to give eventually, and the warnings have been issued repeatedly in the past about it.  Now it's all coming home to roost! >:(  
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« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2008, 17:58:36 »

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Interesting how they never quote the actual generating capacity in the UK, or the growth in usage.  They only quote what may be lost as a percentage of use.  This assumes zero extra capacity in the system.

This is the problem; there is not that 'extra capacity' available due to a lack of power station building but dramatically increasing demand!
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #13 on: 11 June 2008, 18:54:24 »

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Interesting how they never quote the actual generating capacity in the UK, or the growth in usage.  They only quote what may be lost as a percentage of use.  This assumes zero extra capacity in the system.

This is the problem; there is not that 'extra capacity' available due to a lack of power station building but dramatically increasing demand!
 :(

The media never quote any figures that are likely to detract from the shock! horror! impact of a headline.

However, it's obvious that the UK has been heading for trouble for years.

An infrastructure geared up for the consumption of cheap gas now reliant on imports of expensive gas from Europe and Russia. When the pinch comes, are they going to export to us or look after no. 1? And export at what price?

Coal fired capacity decomissioned rather than cleaned-up as a quick fix in the last round of Environmental CO2 cutting nonsense.

Nuclear capacity on its' way out due to political procrastination. Yes, we can build some more, but we should have decided that 20 years ago.

Insufficient natural resources in this relatively small, relatively flat, relatively cloudy island for a significant contribution from renewables against targets from Brussels that don't take natural resources into account.

An increasingly market-driven private sector energy business in which profits take precedence over long and short term security of supply. Gone are the days when there was plenty of "spinning standby" on our grid. If a plant's steamed up it's got to be making money. If it fails and nothing's there to take up the load, the load is shed (= lights out).

Like everything else in this country, while we've been worrying about regime change, political correctness, inciting racial hatred, acts preparatory to terrorism etc. the grass has been growing merrily away under the things that really matter.  >:(

Kevin
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Re: Half our electricity to go in six years?
« Reply #14 on: 11 June 2008, 19:00:21 »

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Interesting how they never quote the actual generating capacity in the UK, or the growth in usage.  They only quote what may be lost as a percentage of use.  This assumes zero extra capacity in the system.

This is the problem; there is not that 'extra capacity' available due to a lack of power station building but dramatically increasing demand!
 :(

The media never quote any figures that are likely to detract from the shock! horror! impact of a headline.

However, it's obvious that the UK has been heading for trouble for years.

An infrastructure geared up for the consumption of cheap gas now reliant on imports of expensive gas from Europe and Russia. When the pinch comes, are they going to export to us or look after no. 1? And export at what price?

Coal fired capacity decomissioned rather than cleaned-up as a quick fix in the last round of Environmental CO2 cutting nonsense.

Nuclear capacity on its' way out due to political procrastination. Yes, we can build some more, but we should have decided that 20 years ago.

Insufficient natural resources in this relatively small, relatively flat, relatively cloudy island for a significant contribution from renewables against targets from Brussels that don't take natural resources into account.

An increasingly market-driven private sector energy business in which profits take precedence over long and short term security of supply. Gone are the days when there was plenty of "spinning standby" on our grid. If a plant's steamed up it's got to be making money. If it fails and nothing's there to take up the load, the load is shed (= lights out).

Like everything else in this country, while we've been worrying about regime change, political correctness, inciting racial hatred, acts preparatory to terrorism etc. the grass has been growing merrily away under the things that really matter.  >:(

Kevin

Absolutely right Kevin! :y

I would also add that of course we are ALREADY relying on electricity generated in France and transmitted to us because of this shortage of generating capacity! >:(
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