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[TheBoy]

Yep, same old m.o. Claim fuddelment.

How is the current situation with opie different to the site accepting adverts?

You say the site recieves no payments. And doesn't want adverts. Yet, we have adverts blatantly from opie. So people assume your being paid anyway.


It matters not if your being paid one way or the other. The existsnce of adverts implies you are being paid regardless.


Of course the cause of this is opies change in tack. From helpful posts in the name of the company, to blatant spamming. They didn't need a post count to be helpful. Which is the point of oof. But they do to advertise.

Advertising is not the point of oof. Yet opie advertise blatantly. Or have I misunderstood?

OK, makes more sense now


As a business with no interest in our particular cars, its fair to assume that such companies will want to spread the word of their wares. They stand no chance of getting a post count, thus cannot post in Sale sections. The inability for us to get the software working in a way deemed suitable for the Recommended Sellers section to work means we only ever had Drive in there, as a trial. Thus, we allow recommended sellers to occasionally highlight offers. Obviously the occasionally bit is up for debate.

Just because you don't like them, doesn't mean nobody uses them. Its not the chrisgixer forum, its the forum for all Omega Owners, and your Admin Team makes decisions based on non shared knowledge, feedback and what we think is best for OOF. Irrespective of whether or not we individually agree with it. You of all people know that what I think as a member often conflicts with what I think as an Admin.


There is a set of criteria for selection of who can be classed as a recommended seller. This criteria is private to stop anyone playing the system. DaveDND, for example, doesn't meet the criteria, so he spreads his word in other ways. He has openly said he has no interest in Omegas, and is purely here in order to promote his business.


I'll have another play with Recommended Sellers section when I get time, but I don't want to create a situation whereby I have to continuously recode vast swathes of the software every time SMF release an update.

[chrisgixer]

No argument there. Far from it. Makes perfect sense.


Except there's nothing there you haven't said before, and that I haven't agreed with before not that that matters, but there's no mention of the fact admin say there is no paid advertising, yet advertising exists.

This implies payment, and undermines admin, according to your own description in fact.

Ignore the other stuff. That's not the issue I'm asking you to accept. Personally I think if advertising is now allowed that should be the case for all. Yet guide lines state otherwise.


As a result, I'm finding it extremely difficult to see how Opies activity can be defended.


...I'm also aware that I'm repeating the same position. Again. This is because an answer is not forthcoming.

Obviously though, for what it's worth, I have every sympathy for the the time and effort that this may take up in the future. Maybe opie might show some sympathy as well and change thier approach back to the helpful member they once where.

Ultimately they aren't helping themselves either. They'd learn a lot from DaveDnd imo.
Even if they had their own sticky in parts section.

I wouldn't recommend them to anyone personaly, since their change in approach, and can't see oof helping itself in the process either.


Odd. Most odd.

[chrisgixer]

This issue aside I wonder who would meet the TB "criteria" though ?

Allgerman, but not lemforder?
Steve at omega spares?
Gm
And presumably opie.

Can't see the section being worth the bother.

Powerflex, Pedders maybe?

[05omegav6]

This issue aside I wonder who would meet the TB "criteria" though ?

Allgerman, but not lemforder?
Steve at omega spares?
Gm
And presumably opie.

Can't see the section being worth the bother.

Powerflex, Pedders maybe?

I envisaged it as a list of existing members, endorsed by the community at large... so it would list breakers, mechanics, computer whizzes, electricians, plumbers accountants, taxi drivers etc in order that the OOF community as a whole had a single place to look for any services that they might need, safe in the knowledge that those people listed have been endorsed by their peers

[TheBoy]

but there's no mention of the fact admin say there is no paid advertising, yet advertising exists.

This implies payment, and undermines admin, according to your own description in fact.

Is that the query, forgetting all the other shite?

If so...

There is no paid advertising on OOF. It can be seen there is no inline ads or google ads or anything like that (if there is, your browser is hijacked). There is no money changing hands between Opie (or any other member here) and OOF or its owners, I can't prove that, you'll have to take my word for that. If you don't trust my word on that, then we have a problem if my integrity is questioned, but feel free to privately ask any of the other Admins or Mods.

We DO allow free adverts here. Anyone with a postcount of 250 can place an ad to sell their Omega or related parts in the relevant section. In addition, those businesses that meet a certain (undisclosed) criteria can advertise their wares and offers (ideally in the Recommended Suppliers section, but it doesn't work).  Not sure what is so complicated about that?

I'll repeat, just because chrisgixer doesn't like somebody, that doesn't mean everybody doesn't like them.

[TheBoy]

This issue aside I wonder who would meet the TB "criteria" though ?

Allgerman, but not lemforder?
Steve at omega spares?
Gm
And presumably opie.

Can't see the section being worth the bother.

Powerflex, Pedders maybe?

S'not my criteria. Its an Admin decided criteria. Its not my oppsing forum, I just happen to be one of the Admins. For now, anyway.

But to answer (don't take this as gospel though, as I haven't looked at them enough), I would suggest:
Allgerman - Yes
Steve/Omegaspares - Possibly
GM (assuming you mean Tradeclub) - No
Opie - Yes
Powerflex - No
Pedders - I believe so

Beyond that, I'm not playing this game any more

[TheBoy]

This issue aside I wonder who would meet the TB "criteria" though ?

Allgerman, but not lemforder?
Steve at omega spares?
Gm
And presumably opie.

Can't see the section being worth the bother.

Powerflex, Pedders maybe?

I envisaged it as a list of existing members, endorsed by the community at large... so it would list breakers, mechanics, computer whizzes, electricians, plumbers accountants, taxi drivers etc in order that the OOF community as a whole had a single place to look for any services that they might need, safe in the knowledge that those people listed have been endorsed by their peers

In an ideal world, we could extent beyond Omega related stuff. However, we are an Omega site, and live in a world where some will always only consider themselves, and opps others over. So I doubt OOF could ever be that all emcompassing.

[05omegav6]

Fair dos

[Jusme]

And...... 'Let that be an end to it'...

[chrisgixer]

As for pedders, strictly speaking, the rear donuts don't actually fit correctly. I'm still unsure if it's the length of the metal bushing/spacer that's short or the diameter being smaller and allowing it disapear up into the body by x amount.

Result is knocking and clunking under heavy cornering followed by repeated episodes over bumps or on full lock turns. Loose rear end. Plus, I think, wheel bearing type noises if the bolt goes in too far before it tightens. But need to confirm. Presume the bolt is touching the chassis internally and resonating, but as sus need to confirm.

I have added a large washer to the bushing length which has sorted the noises and some of the slop. Plus re fitted the top rubber pad to take up the extra play introduced by the washer.

Will copy to the poly thread.





Personally I think the defensive nature of replies and the fact we've gone a full 360 degrees around the issue without acknowledging the problem means it won't be akowledged at all out if pure belligerence.

Shame though. As it's your position of trust, as described by yourself I'm trying to help you with. But the important thing is, i have raised it, as have others in showing their irritation in opies threads and adverts.

If the response to all that is to be ignored, that's entirely your choice. Obviously.

And...... 'Let that be an end to it'...

...if that's ok with you of course

[Gaffers]

I'll repeat, just because chrisgixer doesn't like somebody, that doesn't mean everybody doesn't like him.

Fixed that for you 

[Marks DTM Calib]

The fundamental reason behind OOF being here is to provide technical support for the Omega and its variants for free, one of our ultimate aims was always to attempt to put together a 'Better than Haynes' reference and by and large, I feel the membership has achieved this. There is no back handers, no sponsor ship, no commission, nothing.

Its clear that in order to maintain the vehicles, parts will be required.

The idea of recommended suppliers has already been discussed and has already been made clear in this topic, we as a joint admin team have an approach which has been discussed and considered all be it not fully implemented.

The supplier in question, Opie Oils, meets the criteria and they also support the forum by giving a discount for those members who choose to use them. Clearly there is a very small price to pay in as much as offers get posted however, as its a single thread on a page with twenty or so on it with the title clearly stating the content, any sensible member can easily make an informed decision as to if they wish to view said offer or not without replying with pointless and unnecessary comments.

I must say that I personally grow tired of some of your constant and unnecessary sniping Chris, which has occurred yet again on this thread and appears to be towards certain members, it adds no value and achieves nothing.

OOF is a place for all members of all backgrounds and personalities and it is this approach which we will continue to enforce.

[RossPhim]

I may be showing my age here, but I remember why this forum came about.   
The Opie thread doesn't worry me, and also doesn't interest me, so I just cruise past it.

The admins really don't have to answer to anybody on here (AFAIK), and as they are putting their own free time on the line, neither should they.

I cannae see why it's getting your riled up really Chris, just ignore it!   

[Gaffers]

I cannae see why it's getting your riled up really Chris, just ignore it!   

It's the time of the month for him..........oops I did it again

[Taxi_Driver]

I may be showing my age here, but I remember why this forum came about.   
The Opie thread doesn't worry me, and also doesn't interest me, so I just cruise past it.

The admins really don't have to answer to anybody on here (AFAIK), and as they are putting their own free time on the line, neither should they.

I cannae see why it's getting your riled up really Chris, just ignore it!   

I dont usually post on threads as this.....but i totally agree with you