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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #30 on: 04 October 2014, 19:43:21 »

Plus paint if using gm.

Although at that rate of use, probably not worth the bother tbh...?

If you fancy measuring the wear Opti, just out of interest....? :)
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #31 on: 04 October 2014, 19:59:39 »

I suppose I'll have to go without food and water for a month and buy a matching set of discs and pads. :-\

Genuine GM parts are silly money though so I may be forced to go the Mintex/Ebay route.......about £55.

I may not be the best mechanic in the world but changing the disc and pads on an Omega should be reasonably simple......shouldn't it?.... :o :o :o :-X

A set of discs & pads is/was around £100  :y

Qwik Fit quoted £170. I assume they use pattern parts.

The kid I spoke to said  "I didn't know that Vauxhall made a car called the Omega".

Oh dear.... :-\ ;D ;D

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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #32 on: 04 October 2014, 20:03:06 »

I suppose I'll have to go without food and water for a month and buy a matching set of discs and pads. :-\

Genuine GM parts are silly money though so I may be forced to go the Mintex/Ebay route.......about £55.

I may not be the best mechanic in the world but changing the disc and pads on an Omega should be reasonably simple......shouldn't it?.... :o :o :o :-X

A set of discs & pads is/was around £100  :y


Without TC, my local Vx dealer wants close to £150.
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #33 on: 04 October 2014, 20:04:47 »

I suppose I'll have to go without food and water for a month and buy a matching set of discs and pads. :-\

Genuine GM parts are silly money though so I may be forced to go the Mintex/Ebay route.......about £55.

I may not be the best mechanic in the world but changing the disc and pads on an Omega should be reasonably simple......shouldn't it?.... :o :o :o :-X

A set of discs & pads is/was around £100  :y


Without TC, my local Vx dealer wants close to £150.

Even at that, it'd be preferable to letting KwikFit loose on your brakes. Dead easy to do yourself.  :y  :y
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #34 on: 04 October 2014, 20:06:36 »

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Qwik Fit quoted £170. I assume they use pattern parts.
Quite likely  ::)

The kid I spoke to said  "I didn't know that Vauxhall made a car called the Omega".

Oh dear.... :-\ ;D ;D
he was probably just moving into junior school when the Omega was discontinued  ;D ;D
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #35 on: 04 October 2014, 20:06:55 »

I suppose I'll have to go without food and water for a month and buy a matching set of discs and pads. :-\

Genuine GM parts are silly money though so I may be forced to go the Mintex/Ebay route.......about £55.

I may not be the best mechanic in the world but changing the disc and pads on an Omega should be reasonably simple......shouldn't it?.... :o :o :o :-X

A set of discs & pads is/was around £100  :y


Without TC, my local Vx dealer wants close to £150.

Even at that, it'd be preferable to letting KwikFit loose on your brakes. Dead easy to do yourself:y  :y

Yep. I changed the front discs and pads on the Corsa. Piece of piss really. Not much different, I assume.
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #36 on: 04 October 2014, 20:07:58 »

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Qwik Fit quoted £170. I assume they use pattern parts.
Quite likely  ::)

The kid I spoke to said  "I didn't know that Vauxhall made a car called the Omega".

Oh dear.... :-\ ;D ;D
he was probably just moving into junior school when the Omega was discontinued ;D ;D

I had to tell him three times that it was NOT an Astra. :-\ ;D ;D
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #37 on: 04 October 2014, 20:08:36 »

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Not much different, I assume.

Just bigger & thicker  :y ............. Oooer!  ::)
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #38 on: 04 October 2014, 20:09:25 »

How often a vehicle is used plays a big part.

my discs are in the same state.

Salt grit trucks sitting stationary months on end have the same problem with brake discs, mileage is low as you would imagine.
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #39 on: 04 October 2014, 20:09:33 »

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I had to tell him three times that it was NOT an Astra. :-\ ;D ;D

If he could only see the front  .......... that's why  ::) ::) ;D ;D
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #40 on: 04 October 2014, 20:27:02 »

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I had to tell him three times that it was NOT an Astra. :-\ ;D ;D

If he could only see the front  .......... that's why  ::) ::) ;D ;D

 ;D ;D

Just like looking in the Rear View Mirror on the Motorway, seeing these self-abuser lights in the distance and not knowing if it's a 1,3,4,5,6 series BMW hurtling along at break-neck speed..... or a A1,A3,A4,A5,A6  ::)
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #41 on: 04 October 2014, 21:05:10 »

You might be barking up the wrong tree. I believe your problem is caused by the control arm bushes. Worn or damaged front suspension bushings will cause a violent shaking when braking. It feels like warped brake rotors but it's really caused by the front bushings' loss of alignment control. Instead of keeping the front wheels pointing in the right direction while braking the bushings flex excessively under braking, letting the tires flop around.

I had the same exact problem a few years ago and replacing them with polyurethane bushings cured it. I went with poly for their durability, longevity, and of course the improved handling. I haven't noticed the supposed harshness they impart. Whether you choose to go with poly or rubber, new bushings will fix the shaking.
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #42 on: 04 October 2014, 21:21:30 »

Quite possible. The difference between the two is usually the op's ability to describe the symptoms accurately....vibration on the brakes, is brakes related.
Flapping or wobble on the brakes is wishbone bush related. But is also sometimes set off by bumps, and the steering wheel wobble starts again.

So vibration on the brakes is brakes. Random wobble on the brakes and over bumps is bushes.

A good way to test bushes is to jab the brakes hard and as briefly as possible. If the steering wheel wobbles as the road wheel assembly flaps about, buggered bushes, usually front.

Failed rearward bushes give a folding feeling in tight corners and affect the sterring odly.

It's entirely possible the good Dr has failed bushes as well. But the discs are buggere so change those and see imo.
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #43 on: 04 October 2014, 21:33:49 »

You may be right. My diagnostic abilities wane after the first thousand miles of Atlantic. The same front/horizontal bushing we use is also used on the BMW M5. I found this years ago when investigating my shudder:

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Regarding the 1988 to 1995 BMW M5:
The E34 chassis and front end shimmy go hand in hand, especially with the addition of larger wheel and tire packages. This shimmy mimics warped rotors, and is most noticeable under light braking from highway speeds. Our hard rubber bushings address this problem as well as improving steering feel and "turn in".
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Re: Steering wheel judder/shake when brakes are applied.
« Reply #44 on: 04 October 2014, 21:44:53 »

The dreaded Ebay has Mintex branded Discs and pads for £57 delivered.

What's the worst that can happen?..... ;D ;D

As Mr Gixer suggests,I shall change these first (they are clearly fooked anyway) and hope that no additional problem rear their ugly head.
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