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[Lizzie_Zoom]

The site canteen was talking about how to control world population and also deal with this new plague.

Nuke Africa..wipes out the ebola and saves the millions suffering from No water and No food (doesn't stop them breeding like rabbits mind..?) and would save the millions of pounds spent on the begging adverts on TV.

I did think it was a bit harsh...but having thought on it.....

Ah, yes the Machiavellian solution. I touched on that approach myself in my post above.  However, are we Christian, caring for humanity, the weak and the poor included, or do we become pure realists, or there again Nazi's? And before any goes for me, and I am just speaking out aloud and raising that big question for all of us.  How far do we go to protect our own? Do we have to make that "hot air balloon decision" of who jumps to save the rest, or do we just let nature and the will of God do it's thing?

No easy answers, and perhaps together we are strong divided we are weak, so better to tackle this together with the rest of the international community but quickly before it is too late!

We certainly do not want to get to the stage of calling "bring out your dead"............and then realising no one is alive to bring them out!

[05omegav6]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

[05omegav6]

Also next time you're in Asda or Tescos, have a look and see where your food actually comes from...

Africa produces enough food to export it to us

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

That is exactly right, with that pattern spreading out across the world as wealth, along with health improves.

The problem is nature needs to cull us every so often and as we do not know everything about human health and the threats to it, with antibiotics declining in power, we humans may have become too confident/arrogant too soon and misjudged the cut back on off spring numbers.  I think we shall find out the truth one day

[The Sheriff]

The site canteen was talking about how to control world population and also deal with this new plague.

Nuke Africa..wipes out the ebola and saves the millions suffering from No water and No food (doesn't stop them breeding like rabbits mind..?) and would save the millions of pounds spent on the begging adverts on TV.

I did think it was a bit harsh...but having thought on it.....

Ah, yes the Machiavellian solution. I touched on that approach myself in my post above.  However, are we Christian, caring for humanity, the weak and the poor included, or do we become pure realists, or there again Nazi's? And before any goes for me, and I am just speaking out aloud and raising that big question for all of us.  How far do we go to protect our own? Do we have to make that "hot air balloon decision" of who jumps to save the rest, or do we just let nature and the will of God do it's thing?

No easy answers, and perhaps together we are strong divided we are weak, so better to tackle this together with the rest of the international community but quickly before it is too late!

We certainly do not want to get to the stage of calling "bring out your dead"............and then realising no one is alive to bring them out!

There's a lot of "we's" in there, Lizzie. Speak for yourself. Politicians have for years been saying "we" when referring to the general population, when actually "we" don't agree with with them at all. Us racist, homophobic woman haters can speak for ourselves, thank you.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The site canteen was talking about how to control world population and also deal with this new plague.

Nuke Africa..wipes out the ebola and saves the millions suffering from No water and No food (doesn't stop them breeding like rabbits mind..?) and would save the millions of pounds spent on the begging adverts on TV.

I did think it was a bit harsh...but having thought on it.....

Ah, yes the Machiavellian solution. I touched on that approach myself in my post above.  However, are we Christian, caring for humanity, the weak and the poor included, or do we become pure realists, or there again Nazi's? And before any goes for me, and I am just speaking out aloud and raising that big question for all of us.  How far do we go to protect our own? Do we have to make that "hot air balloon decision" of who jumps to save the rest, or do we just let nature and the will of God do it's thing?

No easy answers, and perhaps together we are strong divided we are weak, so better to tackle this together with the rest of the international community but quickly before it is too late!

We certainly do not want to get to the stage of calling "bring out your dead"............and then realising no one is alive to bring them out!

There's a lot of "we's" in there, Lizzie. Speak for yourself. Politicians have for years been saying "we" when referring to the general population, when actually "we" don't agree with with them at all. Us racist, homophobic woman haters can speak for ourselves, thank you.

No, I speak in terms of our society, not I but we, together, as a family of humans. That was the point of my post, to raise those questions of ourselves. Whatever we do together is what is important, because certainly I have little power to change things one way or another, not that I am that sure of what we should do together let alone me personally.

We, all of us, need to listen to those medically trained to arrive at any possible answer.  Only then can we as a society start to make decisions.

If you push me for a personal, political, outlook on this I would say that it is unquestionable in nature that the strongest survive, but out of the strong comes the weak which must be protected if I am to consider myself a Christian, let alone a human being.

"Racist, homophobic woman haters" have no place in my world and should never be tolerated, but pitied as weak spirits of the human species.

[Stuart30]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

Why should I feel sorry for someone in an African country,yet we would all be up in arms if it happens here.

It will end up here and then its simply to late...we need to wake up and start tackling these issues head on and I don't mean governments simply discussing sending Aid or Ships when its obviously to late.

If the hospitals cant pick up on SARS (I came back from Singapoore/Phillipines and had Pneumonia supposedly) at the height of it...then what chance do they have of spotting and shutting down the spread of it.

[tigers_gonads]

Slightly off topic I know but a question for Lizzie and our devil dodging god fearing members.
On the subject of birth control in Africa
Wasn't it the catholic church that encouraged its missionaries in Africa to tell the locals that condoms gave you AIDS so that they breed and boost their following ?

[Kate]

I think the Government don't consider Ebola to be serious as it isn't an airborne virus like the flu. It's more like AIDS I guess.

I watched that movie 'Outbreak' so I feel like an expert.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Slightly off topic I know but a question for Lizzie and our devil dodging god fearing members.
On the subject of birth control in Africa
Wasn't it the catholic church that encouraged its missionaries in Africa to tell the locals that condoms gave you AIDS so that they breed and boost their following ?

Yes, and the Catholic church still frowns upon birth control in Ireland and any where else their brethren exist! It also assisted, or at least turned a blind eye to what the Nazi's were doing with the Jews.

I am definitely not a Catholic, and would never be, but a Christian who does not believe in organised religion, like even the C of E.  All organised religions is politically motivated and self centred, and for me does not preach or follow the true and pure teachings of Jesus Christ.

Those religions are not to blame for the Ebola crisis though, no more than they are in this country when there is a flue epidemic!

[05omegav6]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

Why should I feel sorry for someone in an African country,yet we would all be up in arms if it happens here.

It will end up here and then its simply to late...we need to wake up and start tackling these issues head on and I don't mean governments simply discussing sending Aid or Ships when its obviously to late.

If the hospitals cant pick up on SARS (I came back from Singapoore/Phillipines and had Pneumonia supposedly) at the height of it...then what chance do they have of spotting and shutting down the spread of it.

Claiming child benefit puts you firmly in the same boat as those people who receive/accept foreign aid

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

As sanitation improves, infant life mortality rates improve which in turn needs a change of behaviour...

This is why your grand parents and their parents were from large families, and why now most people only have one or two kids instead of seven or eight.

Sorry but don't agree...its child abuse pure and simple.

These people are dying due to lack of food and water...yet they knowingly bring children into this world who they know will either die very young or at very best suffer.

No, those people are dying of a lack of food and water because the rest of the world only looks after itself. If there was more will to put things right by the West instead of just arming political regimes then the situation could be very different.

They often bring children into this world through ignorance and poor education, but also with hope for the future, just as was the case not that long ago in Britain. They should be helped to come into the new age not be left stranded in a medieval existence that is also prevalent in other areas of the world.

The rich element of the world has the resource to rectify the situation, but decides instead to bury their heads in the sand and not make the political decisions required. Then the world wonders why we have a health crisis like Ebola!

[tigers_gonads]

Slightly off topic I know but a question for Lizzie and our devil dodging god fearing members.
On the subject of birth control in Africa
Wasn't it the catholic church that encouraged its missionaries in Africa to tell the locals that condoms gave you AIDS so that they breed and boost their following ?

Yes, and the Catholic church still frowns upon birth control in Ireland and any where else their brethren exist! It also assisted, or at least turned a blind eye to what the Nazi's were doing with the Jews.

I am definitely not a Catholic, and would never be, but a Christian who does not believe in organised religion, like even the C of E.  All organised religions is politically motivated and self centred, and for me does not preach or follow the true and pure teachings of Jesus Christ.

Those religions are not to blame for the Ebola crisis though, no more than they are in this country when there is a flue epidemic!

Fair enough dear  but I do believe charity begins at home first and foremost 

True story this but about 6 years ago, I got the worse dose of proper flue I ever had OFF A BLOODY VICER who I was working for so that last statement is definitely wrong 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Slightly off topic I know but a question for Lizzie and our devil dodging god fearing members.
On the subject of birth control in Africa
Wasn't it the catholic church that encouraged its missionaries in Africa to tell the locals that condoms gave you AIDS so that they breed and boost their following ?

Yes, and the Catholic church still frowns upon birth control in Ireland and any where else their brethren exist! It also assisted, or at least turned a blind eye to what the Nazi's were doing with the Jews.

I am definitely not a Catholic, and would never be, but a Christian who does not believe in organised religion, like even the C of E.  All organised religions is politically motivated and self centred, and for me does not preach or follow the true and pure teachings of Jesus Christ.

Those religions are not to blame for the Ebola crisis though, no more than they are in this country when there is a flue epidemic!

Fair enough dear  but I do believe charity begins at home first and foremost 

True story this but about 6 years ago, I got the worse dose of proper flue I ever had OFF A BLOODY VICER who I was working for so that last statement is definitely wrong 

 

[Sir Tigger KC]

Breeding like rabbits is a defence mechanism, not for the hell of it...

Much of the breeding like rabbits in African countries is the result of thoughtless, drunken sex.    So not much different to here really, apart from having no welfare state to pick up the pieces when the father walks away. 

Anyway back to Ebola! 

An Australian nurse has been hospitalised in Cairns after alerting the authorities that she had Ebola like symptoms after returning home from Sierra Leone and a British man has reportedly died in Macedonia after suffering similar symptoms to Ebola.   

I was listening to Jeremy Whine today and they were talking to a woman who had travelled here from Sierra Leone where there are travel restrictions in place preventing people moving around the country.  So she couldn't travel to Freetown (the capital) but because there is an airport in her province, she could fly out and on to Britain.     

Although the government have 'U-turned' today and will introduce screening at Heathrow, Gatwick and the Eurostar terminal for people travelling from affected countries.    So we'll be just fine!