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[Kevin Wood]

If you're both doing 70ish and heading for the same space in lane two, the lateral closing speed isn't much different from say 40... obviously more ground being covered, and a panic reaction to a late shoulder check has the potential to cause more chaos at the higher speed

At the speeds I envisaged, I wouldn't be moving to lane 2 if lane 1 was looking like it even smells like it wants to pull to lane 2.

Point being, a toot won't help.

In that case, the driver in lane 3 should have spotted the situation developing from quite a way back, whereas the driver moving into lane 2 might well not have been able to see far enough back to see a significantly faster car approaching 2 lanes across from him and with, most likely, a car in lane 2 obstructing his view to the rear anyway.

Not saying there is a right of way in any case, but the car in lane 3 is most likely best appraised of the situation and, after all, there's no reason why he can't delay his return to lane 2.

Given the implication that the car in lane 3 is travelling at considerable speed relative to the other traffic, its' driver should really be aware that he might exceed the capabilities of others to appreciate his closing speed IMHO.

[aaronjb]

Ditto to what YZ250 & Chris have said - at least that's how I tend to drive as I've had far too many people try to drive into the side of me just overtaking them let alone if I'm in L3 and they're in L1.. I swear a large proportion of drivers must keep their white stick in the car with them.

If it does happen, though, then I don't think anyone has the right of way.. it's not like sailing, I don't think, shouting "STARBOARD!" won't help

[chrisgixer]

[05omegav6]

Nautical comparisons are not entirely unfounded... Not called the rules of the road by coincidence.

Try navigating a busy river without consideration and not hit anything

[chrisgixer]

Indeed. I think the most important thing is to be realistic. It's no good bemoaning the lack of use of correct procedures when it's already gone tats up. Too bloody late.

Righteousness can often be more dangerous than recklessness. Especially if having a bad day. Tired. Distracted. Less competent. Blah.....


Although, it must be said, the op hasn't described the exact circumstances of his particular incident.

[aaronjb]

Try navigating a busy river without consideration and not hit anything

Last time I tried that the only things I hit were the dock.. the riverbank.. a sand bar..  luckily only hit the latter slowly so we could all stand at the back and reverse back off it!

[ted_one]

It's all about defensive driving and not offensive driving,but as we all know there's not a bad driver out there and after spending 20 years of attending RTA's and not RTC's as they are now called, and without exception every one was the other persons fault.....well that's what THEY said So really you can kick this one around all day and there may well be a definitive answer to the original question, but  in a way it's academic, as it's not always what you expect to happen due to the other persons attitude.....and guess what it'll be your fault anyway,so why worry ..just cover your own arse

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The biggest car has the right of way.

Might is right.

[ted_one]

I tend to use the company's vehicles as  battering rams as it saves me no end of money on body repairs to my car

[driver115]

Yes, I agree, forward thinking as to what other drivers may do (saved me a few times when riding a motorcycle),and when in the outside lane you have the speed and priority to remain there until it is safe to change lane when able to do so :

[Gaffers]

Ditto to what YZ250 & Chris have said - at least that's how I tend to drive as I've had far too many people try to drive into the side of me just overtaking them let alone if I'm in L3 and they're in L1.. I swear a large proportion of drivers must keep their white stick in the car with them.

If it does happen, though, then I don't think anyone has the right of way.. it's not like sailing, I don't think, shouting "STARBOARD!" won't help

No right of way in sailing, you either are the stand on or give way vessel and either way rule 16 is king

[aaronjb]

For something with no right of way the RRS use the phrase "right of way" a lot

I was referring to the "vessels on a port tack shall keep clear of those on a starboard tack" though, rule 10 

[05omegav6]

And like their land lubbing brethren,  pedalos must give way to everyone

Red to red, go ahead... Green to green should never be seen. And if in doubt, always turn right

[Mr Skrunts]

Depends what make of car you drive, If its a BMW then you are automatically wrong what ever you do 

[Gaffers]

And like their land lubbing brethren,  pedalos must give way to everyone

Red to red, go ahead... Green to green should never be seen. And if in doubt, always turn right

Hovercraft technically should be given-way to by everyone, although in practice they move so quick that by the time you have made your intentions clear he has already passed you.   

One of my favourite things I like teaching soldiers when sailing is sticking the boat in the middle of the solent, clear of the restriction zone, hove-to on a starboard tack and then stopping everything while we sit and have lunch.  They are amazed that you can just do that and everyone goes around you.

For something with no right of way the RRS use the phrase "right of way" a lot

Right of way does not exist in ColRegs, you will fail any exam you take if you make mention to it.  I have seen it done

I was referring to the "vessels on a port tack shall keep clear of those on a starboard tack" though, rule 10 

I got muddled in my rules.  It is rule 8 I meant:

Action to Avoid Collision
(a) Any action to avoid collision shall be taken in accordance with the Rules of this Part and shall, if the circumstances of the case admit, be positive, made in ample time and with due regard to the observance of good seamanship.
(b) Any alteration of course and/or speed to avoid collision shall, if the circumstances of the case admit be large enough to be readily apparent to another vessel observing visually or by radar; a succession of small alterations of course and/or speed shall be avoided.
(c) If there is sufficient sea room, alteration of course alone may be the most effective action to avoid a close-quarters situation provided that it is made in good time, is substantial and does not result in another close-quarters situation.
(d) Action taken to avoid collision with another vessel shall be such as to result in passing at a safe distance. The effectiveness of the action shall be carefully checked until the other vessel is finally past and clear.
(e) If necessary to avoid collision or allow more time to asses the situation, a vessel may slacken her speed or take all way off by stopping or reversing her means of propulsion.
(f)
(i) A vessel which, by any of these rules, is required not to impede the passage or safe passage of another vessel shall when required by the circumstances of the case, take early action to allow sufficient sea room for the safe passage of the other vessel.
(ii) A vessel required not to impede the passage or safe passage of another vessel is not relieved of this obligation if approaching the other vessel so as to involve risk of collision and shall, when taking action, have full regard to the action which may be required by the rules of this part.
(iii) A vessel the passage of which is not to be impeded remains fully obliged to comply with the rules of this part when the two vessels are approaching one another so as to involve risk of collision.

If the Highway code was written a bit like this then it should get rid of this right of way nonsense