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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #30 on: 21 April 2015, 18:00:06 »

40K or 4 years.... That's at least one every year then on my 2.6  :-[

40K or 4 years.... That's one every four years then on my 3.2  :y
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #31 on: 21 April 2015, 20:00:16 »

Its very strange,,,,my latest 2.6 which is 03 registered had a cambelt fitted at 44,000 by Vauxhall main dealers in 2011. The cost was £434.00
That was its first belt change since new..8 years !!!!!!!!! It was fully serviced by the same Vauxhall dealers from day one, and I have all the service sheets , etc, etc.
So Vauxhall seem to have great faith in their belts !!!!!! So if they decree 4 years, why was mine left for 8 years. The mind boggles :o :o :o
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #32 on: 21 April 2015, 21:04:49 »

Because, after some failures caused by tensioner bearing failure iirc, they revised it to half the previous period. That being, 40k and 4 years down from 80k and 8 years. I remember this change in service schedule being plastered all over vx dealers at the time...

The reason is the bearing failures, not the belt so much. Hence "changing the cam belt" isn't entirely accurate, but those that know understand this means the tensioner and top and bottom pulleys must be changed. So there's simply isn't any point re fitting the old belt.

Legend tells of vx sales trying to impress fleet managers with excessively long service periods. Oil changes where ridiculously long as well. Hence you often see comments on here about vx service history being not worth jack sh..

I change my oil every 5k if I remember/get time/it isn't bloody freezing. :-[

Vx where quoting 20k on fully synth iirc. :o
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #33 on: 21 April 2015, 21:07:53 »

To add, I'm talking about the v6 for terbs.

As most here know, all vx cam belts are 40k and 4 years for the same reasons. Although the more modern/newer engines might be different. But would you trust them if they are...? Given vx's history on such things.
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #34 on: 21 April 2015, 21:19:12 »

Thanks for that info Chris, but when did Vauxhall come to that decision. Mine is 'a later model' as I said 03, and the Omega began many years earlier. Being as my particular car was only serviced at Vauxhall in line with their service charts, how come nobody picked up the time factor of my belt.
As you say, it was changed due to premature breaks.....but surely that must have been way before the Omega was due to finish production.
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #35 on: 21 April 2015, 21:26:31 »

Alot of dealers were cutting corners by only changing the belt, which highlighted the tensioner weakness...

The Omega kit will do 80k without issue provided the WHOLE kit is changed. That said, if 80k is done over a period of greater than 4 years, then you're taking a real gamble...
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #36 on: 21 April 2015, 22:01:36 »

I agree with that, but the point I am trying to make is that my car went 8 years before a full kit was installed. The car only did 44000 in that eight years, But if Vauxhall had issued the new schedule, prior to 2003 when my car was first registered, then I would think it was pretty incompetent of Wimborne Vauxhall not to have brought it to the attention of the owner, as all servicing, repairs, mot's were done solely at that garage. One lucky engine, I guess ???
My records show that the car had only done 20,000 in the first 4 years, so Vauxhall totally ignored the '4 year' and relied on '40,000'. As I said....one lucky engine :y
Which...if following that line....my car has done 20,000 in the last four years, having been fitted with a full Vauxhall cambelt kit, should be ok until 2019  :o :o :o :o

As they say....No Way, Jose........not whilst I own it ;D :y
« Last Edit: 21 April 2015, 22:05:17 by terbert »
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #37 on: 21 April 2015, 22:23:03 »

I agree with that, but the point I am trying to make is that my car went 8 years before a full kit was installed. The car only did 44000 in that eight years, But if Vauxhall had issued the new schedule, prior to 2003 when my car was first registered, then I would think it was pretty incompetent of Wimborne Vauxhall not to have brought it to the attention of the owner, as all servicing, repairs, mot's were done solely at that garage. One lucky engine, I guess ???
My records show that the car had only done 20,000 in the first 4 years, so Vauxhall totally ignored the '4 year' and relied on '40,000'. As I said....one lucky engine :y
Which...if following that line....my car has done 20,000 in the last four years, having been fitted with a full Vauxhall cambelt kit, should be ok until 2019  :o :o :o :o

As they say....No Way, Jose........not whilst I own it ;D :y

I thought the amendment was sent out way back in 2001 and they were told to apply this to all previous models.  :-\  It would certainly have been common knowledge in 2003 onwards.
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #38 on: 21 April 2015, 22:28:35 »

How would Vauxhall know the cars mileage without seeing the car?

How would Vauxhall know the cam belt wasn't done by another party.

It is entirely the responsibility of the owner to followe the service schedule.


There is currently no service schedule on any petrol engine (of that era, again, not sure on more modern engines) that allows for 80k miles.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90439.0

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=90441.0

I don't know when the service schedule changed, but I have a recollection it may of been between 2000 and 2003.

Anyone know? I'm sure somebody will. :)
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #39 on: 21 April 2015, 22:45:13 »

I see what you are saying Chris, however, my car was purchased and then serviced only at that Vauxhall dealers. They had all the records, from day one. And by jove, did they charge for repairs. The servive book, as you probably know, lists all jobs on a service, and in my case, they are all ticked in the various boxes.
The way my car has been looked after by that one owner from new, leaves me to think that it was an 'older' person that owned it. As he was loyal to that garage, they knew the car inside out, I would have thought they would have informed him about belts and kits. After all, there is something called customer service, (says tongue in cheek)
When I had my Laguna Estate, Renault phoned me up and advised me that the belt was due for change. :y
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #40 on: 21 April 2015, 23:02:08 »

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I don't know when the service schedule changed, but I have a recollection it may of been between 2000 and 2003.

Anyone know? I'm sure somebody will. :)

Quote below from an old thread posted by Mr DTM. Much earlier than I thought.  :o :o 

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The original V6 came with an interval of 80K miles.....this was revised around 1997 (interestingly just as the first units were approaching 4 years of age!)
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #41 on: 21 April 2015, 23:12:32 »

Woo. Much earlier :(

I thought terbs service schedule was correct for vx guidance at the time. Seems not. Just a lucky engine as said. :o
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #42 on: 21 April 2015, 23:14:20 »

I'm sure I remember the signs up in the show rooms and service dept advising of the new schedule, while the face lift omega was on display.


Bah, I should know better than to trust my memory by now. ;D
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« Reply #43 on: 21 April 2015, 23:18:01 »

I'm sure I remember the signs up in the show rooms and service dept advising of the new schedule, while the face lift omega was on display.


Bah, I should know better than to trust my memory by now. ;D

Have to face facts, buddy....we all get old ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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Re: Cambelt dilemma.
« Reply #44 on: 21 April 2015, 23:31:52 »

Never mind all this how long and how many miles crap... ;D Its 40k or 4 yrs what ever comes first.. So its time for the OP to splash out.  :y

Get your wallet out mr opti.  :y Your gonna need just over a ton for the parts and then you Are going to need someone to fit it.And thats another ton.

Just pay it... Its only bleeding money  ;D ;D ;D
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