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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

HGV driver started with a mistake and then just kept making things worse. Apart from to much speed when turning he started to turn in too early. He may have thought about putting the rear of the truck on the path and then noticed a woman with pushchair in the vicinity and changed his line, or that may be a llift axle at the rear, which he suddenly remembered was down rather than up ? Whatever the reason, once he started to turn early he then seemd to decide not to put much lock on the steering which put him so wide that much  of the offside path ended up covered by his cab.He then winds on the rest of the available lock, way too late.
He was then at an angle where the front of the truck is on the wrong side off the road (unavoidable to a degree), but he probably has no idea if anything is coming towards him. If he had any sense at all, he would have stopped to find out, so that he didn't drive blindly into someone, which is exactly what he did.
Cant see that the biker did anything wrong, apart from maybe could have pulled up to a stop a bit sooner ?
At least theres one less Ducati Monster on the roads, which is a good thing. I had one briefly, but didn't like to be seen on it, as they are a tarts handbag of a bike. 

[05omegav6]

Rear lift axle Steers too, so lifting it would have been of limited use... In a perfect world the road from which he was turning would haave been wide and quiet enough for him to take a better swing... Looking at it neither was an option. That he didn't touch either kerb inspite of the course he took is no mean feat imho... Biker would have been better to pull up on the kerb at the start of the clip as that lorry is clearly at a funny angle...

[Broomies Mate]

Interestingly he didn't get a chance to stop sooner because he was doing his "Lifesaver" check... Slightly ironic 

A freak accident really... He was just in the blind spot the whole way

Bollarx!  He was looking at the crumpet walking along. (Nice arse).

OT:  Wagon should have not performed that turn at that speed. Biker shouldn't have been travelling at that speed whilst approaching the junction, and shouldn't have been looking at the young lass wearing black.

Who's at fault?  Obviously the biker, they are all idiots! 

[Lazydocker]

Interestingly he didn't get a chance to stop sooner because he was doing his "Lifesaver" check... Slightly ironic 

A freak accident really... He was just in the blind spot the whole way

Bollarx!  He was looking at the crumpet walking along. (Nice arse).

OT:  Wagon should have not performed that turn at that speed.  Biker shouldn't have been travelling at that speed whilst approaching the junction, and shouldn't have been looking at the young lass wearing black.

Who's at fault?  Obviously the biker, they are all idiots! 

I was trying to judge whether he was exceeding the 20mph speed limit too

[Nick W]

It's interesting how the video has been cropped so that a lot of useful info isn't available!
For instance, a view of the road that the HGV is turning from would probably explain the unorthodox line it's taking.


And it might help explain why the motorcyclist didn't stop when he saw he was entering a closing gap, which is what any sensible driver who wasn't speeding would do.

[Lazydocker]

It's interesting how the video has been cropped so that a lot of useful info isn't available!
For instance, a view of the road that the HGV is turning from would probably explain the unorthodox line it's taking.


And it might help explain why the motorcyclist didn't stop when he saw he was entering a closing gap, which is what any sensible driver who wasn't speeding would do.

You can see that there is a small "reservation" on the road he turns off of. As for the biker... I'm still not sure on his speed But I stand by my earlier comment... Both made mistakes

[05omegav6]

Here's a slightly longer version...
https://youtu.be/C1aSvoIpVss

There's a bus at the stop opposite the end of the road... A skip lorry pulls wide to pass the stationary bus, followed by another bus... Assuming all the traffic to be doing this, the lorry driver was forced to make a shallow turn.

It should also clarify whether the bike was originally speeding... I leave that judgement to others, but am confident of the answer

Also worth noting that the bike was technically stopped when the lorry hit it, but he couldn't have stopped in a more invisible place you can't see the lorry driver from the helmet cam throughout the whole episode. And if you can't see him he can't possibly see you

[Lazydocker]

Here's a slightly longer version...
https://youtu.be/C1aSvoIpVss

There's a bus at the stop opposite the end of the road... A skip lorry pulls wide to pass the stationary bus, followed by another bus... Assuming all the traffic to be doing this, the lorry driver was forced to make a shallow turn.

It should also clarify whether the bike was originally speeding... I leave that judgement to others, but am confident of the answer

Hmm... Explains the poor line by the have driver and the panic/inexperience by the rider... He could easily have escaped up the wrong side of the road

I'm not making comment about speed

[Andy H]

The look of disbelief on the drivers face makes me think he makes a habit of that manoeuvre (turning into a residential street, on the wrong side of the road with no vision) and hasn't had a problem before.

Cannot see that the bikes speed is relevant, kids on BMXs travel faster than that - he stopped when it was apparent that the lorry across the end of the street was turning in to it (on his side of the road).

[Lazydocker]

The look of disbelief on the drivers face makes me think he makes a habit of that manoeuvre (turning into a residential street, on the wrong side of the road with no vision) and hasn't had a problem before.

Cannot see that the bikes speed is relevant, kids on BMXs travel faster than that - he stopped when it was apparent that the lorry across the end of the street was turning in to it (on his side of the road).

To be fair, had he been travelling a bit faster he probably would have taken the massive escape route that was available.

As for the lorry driver... His line was appropriate for the situation as far as we can see... If you watch his rear wheel he is close to the kerb as he passes the "Apex" and it is, as I have said several times, just a combination of small mistakes on all sides.

And those who suggest the lorry driver should have stopped and gotten out to check should try driving in London... He'd soon get lynched for stopping as he turns a corner

[omega2018]

having watched the full video i'm very surprised at people thinking the biker is to blame here or even that it's 50/50.  can a poll be added here?

i'm pretty sure what the insurance companies would decide. 

[05omegav6]

having watched the full video i'm very surprised at people thinking the biker is to blame here or even that it's 50/50.  can a poll be added here?

i'm pretty sure what the insurance companies would decide.

Everybody being the people who have actually driven a lorry

[Vamps]

Bottom line is that the truck driver was a fault, harsh though it maybe, as he came round the corner, from not the best approach, he would have been concentrating on his left mirror, and not to his front. The biker could have avoided the situation, had he read the situation better, and moved over to the other side of the road.

Having said that I do have sympathy for the truck driver, the biker could have used his horn or moved, but ultimately the trucker was driving on the wrong side of the road.............

 

[05omegav6]

In order to negotiate the junction without mounting the curb... Even if he had cut the corner he would have still hit the bike (from a position perspective rather than a blindness one... As he would then have hit the bike head on and would therefore have been able to see it)

A few points that the motorbicyclist would do well to note:

Highway code sections 104a, 112, 170c, 220 and 221.

[Kevin Wood]

Knock for knock, IMHO.

Lorry driver could have negotiated the turning better, I'm sure, but there are times when a large vehicle has to take a bit more road to manoeuvre, so that's by the by.

He surely can't have failed to notice an approaching biker as he turned in? And the biker can't have failed to notice a lorry completely blocking his path from some distance back?

Why then did the biker proceed into a part of road that was clearly about to be occupied by lorry, and the lorry press forward without thinking "where did that biker disappear to?".