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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #15 on: 10 August 2015, 12:29:02 »

If he squeezes up the inside of trucks like he did the golf then he won't need any awareness courses as he'll be a smear under 30T of trailer..
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #16 on: 10 August 2015, 12:53:34 »

Car driver is ultimately at fault but the standard of riding demonstrated prior to the incident suggests the cyclist could also benefit from a road safety/awareness course ;)

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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #17 on: 10 August 2015, 12:54:01 »

If he squeezes up the inside of trucks like he did the golf then he won't need any awareness courses as he'll be a smear under 30T of trailer..

Sad but true.  Although, Darwin had a theory......
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #18 on: 10 August 2015, 13:18:19 »


....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.


http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html

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Hmm. An interesting point on the site that they SHOULD take the position of middle of the road. i didn't know that. I suppose it makes sense so that there's no ''shall i, shant i'' overtaking hesitance from the driver.

in the real world though he'd need to assume middle position in plenty of time though otherwise he'll be brown bread!
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #19 on: 10 August 2015, 13:38:29 »


....the cyclist for pulling out and assuming the position in the middle (almost) of the road.


http://think.direct.gov.uk/cycling.html

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Hmm. An interesting point on the site that they SHOULD take the position of middle of the road. i didn't know that. I suppose it makes sense so that there's no ''shall i, shant i'' overtaking hesitance from the driver.

in the real world though he'd need to assume middle position in plenty of time though otherwise he'll be brown bread!

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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #20 on: 10 August 2015, 19:11:44 »

I've purposely not read any other responses until I posted.

On the cyclist side....
The law (they can pretty much do no wrong)
The sign, assuming it took place after the sign.
The aggression shown towards him.

On the drivers side...
The way he undertook the indicating Golf is a sure fire sign of a 'self righteous' cyclist (that is my opinion). He could see he was putting himself in danger, but continued to do so, even though, again in my opinion, the car driver did the right thing positioning himself as not to blindside a cyclist.
The passenger states the cyclist hit (with hand or foot) the side of the car.
If the cyclist had noticed that sign as he entered that narrow area, he could have checked and positioned himself in the middle of lane to prevent that altogether.

The unknowns....
The cyclist hitting the car could have been the cause of the accident. You can't see that in the footage.
Whilst the cyclist may have right of way, anyone riding in London with a will to live would shoulder check before pulling out. Again, you can't see that in the video.


Overall the law would side with bike rider as a more vulnerable road user. However, this is just part of the story, he mentions CCTV (I presume they don't mean his footage) which may paint a fuller picture.
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #21 on: 10 August 2015, 19:21:30 »

....and now I've read the above, it's almost identical to Monsieur Guffer's post.  ???
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #22 on: 10 August 2015, 20:39:11 »

....and now I've read the above, it's almost identical to Monsieur Guffer's post.  ???

See.  Us MAMILs are reasonable after all ;D
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #23 on: 11 August 2015, 15:54:21 »

watch it again and look where the golf he first squeezed passed was positioned.  in a marked cycle lane.  unlike all the other cars waiting at the lights.
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« Reply #24 on: 11 August 2015, 16:06:55 »

watch it again and look where the golf he first squeezed passed was positioned.  in a marked cycle lane.  unlike all the other cars waiting at the lights.
No excuse for flying up to it with the rear wheel locked ::)
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #25 on: 11 August 2015, 16:30:17 »

TBH, the cyclist seemed determined to prove a point, and ended up with the bruises to show for it.  ::)

Going up the inside of the Golf when the lights were already changing was downright stupid, cycle lane or not. It was obvious that he was about to occupy a space that would soon be full of Golf. Not sure I'd have put myself at the Golf driver's mercy. He was lucky not to come unstuck there.

If the cyclist had been more assertive in claiming his piece of road before the narrow section, the driver of that shitty A class would have had no option but to hold back. In the position he was, however, of not being in command of the lane, a glance behind him to make sure the following traffic was sympathetic and then dropping back a few seconds on the realisation that it wasn't would have saved a potentially dangerous accident.

The A class driver clearly did the usual thing of driving through the cyclist as if he's not even there, on the assumption that there would be a hedge or something for him to disappear into, and, as the overtaking vehicle, he takes the blame, IMHO, but the cyclist could have avoided the accident by being a bit more defensive. He won't last long riding like that in that sort of traffic.
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #26 on: 11 August 2015, 23:54:38 »

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Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8
http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #27 on: 12 August 2015, 09:03:46 »

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Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Law RTRA sects 5 & 8
http://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-riders-103-to-158/multilane-carriageways-133-to-143
Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place... ::)
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Re: where does the fault lie?
« Reply #28 on: 12 August 2015, 09:28:20 »

General rule for passing a cyclist ......at least a car doors width and a bit more where it can be achieved....why try and mix it up with someone who is on ''mission '' to keep going what ever the situation is ...seems to apply to ALL road users...because there is an absolute plethora of dick heads out there just waiting to push your buttons regardless of what form of vehicle they are in charge of. ::)
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Re: where does the fault lie?
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