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[tigers_gonads]

These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.

The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.

As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.

For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.

The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road

If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole 

[Gaffers]

TG, I was hoping to avoid this conversation to go down this well-trodden and mis-understood route and would rather it stayed on track. 

Dont worry, in my next post on the subject you will have plenty of chance to air your views.  I get the feeling it may generate a lot of opinion

[omega2018]

The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic

i'm not sure these are illegal for a cyclist are they?  is there anything in the highway code?  i'm not sure if there is but just asking .

The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)

i am pretty sure there are no laws to enforce for any of the above.

[omega2018]

Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place...

there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes.  people do it all the time . 

[05omegav6]

Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place...

there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes.  people do it all the time .

Ergo, the position of the Golf is irrelevant to the manner of riding from that cyclist... ie he should have calmly assumed position in the cycle lane behind it, ready to take his place in the procession through the roadwork restriction

[Gaffers]

Can you find the one that says it's fine to cycle like a lady crevice just because a car has stopped in a daft place...

there's definitely no highway code for that, for cars or bikes.  people do it all the time .

Ergo, the position of the Golf is irrelevant to the manner of riding from that cyclist... ie he should have calmly assumed position in the cycle lane behind it, ready to take his place in the procession through the roadwork restriction

I disagree somewhat.

If that was me I would have gone around the outside of the Golf and positioned myself appropriately in the cycle box ahead.  By staying back you reinforce bad road position which after a red light can make it very difficult for a cyclist to come over where he needed to be in order to be safe, hence the existence of these boxes in the first place

The Golf driver is a twonk but it's not worth remonstrating with idiots like that.  Better to give them a wide birth.

[05omegav6]

Your response to that situation is perfectly reasoned Staying back, whilst not ideal, would have been preferable to approaching a clear obstruction at speed and then making alot of fuss about both the obstruction and squeezing past it...

[ronnyd]

When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car.

[D]

These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.

The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.

As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.

For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.

The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road

If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole 

[Gaffers]

When i am out on my bike i find i have far more problems with pedestrians than with cars. People with kids, dog walkers with their ultra long leads and the worst one is joggers or walkers wearing headphones. It,s a waste of time having a bell on your bike because they are in their little world and can,t hear a thing. Still, at least they,re softer to land on than a car.

I use a hornit db140.  2 modes, one for cars and one for pedestrians.  more than happy with it

[D]

How long does the battery last?

[Gaffers]

How long does the battery last?

I've had it for 18 months,  used several times a week. still on the original batteries.

[steve6367]

These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.

The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.

As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.

For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.

The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road

If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole 

Not flashing / strobing or poorly aimed ultra bright LED

[Gaffers]

These cyclist vs. car driver wars incidents is down to lack of respect on all side imho.

The majority of cyclists don't follow the rules of the road.
Undertaking, weaving though traffic, believing that red lights or most traffic signals don't apply to them only serve to piss off car. van and wagon drivers because they haven't got a friggin clue what they are going to do and are sick and tired of these muppets exploiting the lack of will of the police to enforce these laws.

As we all know, if a car driver runs a red light and gets caught then the shit hits the fan, he is hammered within a inch of his licence and the world gets to know about it.

For instance, until these cyclists are forced to and publicly prosecuted for non compliance of the law, the empathy and lack of respect to cyclists will only continue and get worse.

The law can start by enforcing the following ..............
1/. Wear a helmet
2/. Wear a Hi Vis jacket or vest
3/. Have lights front and back that are fit for purpose
4/. Have carry valid and suitable insurance if your over 16 years old. (below that, your parents are responsible and pick up the tab)
5/. Follow the rules of the road

If this happens (and i'm not holding my breath here), then maybe car drives and there sort will start to give more respect to cyclists as a whole 

Not flashing / strobing or poorly aimed ultra bright LED

As mentioned previously, let's try and keep this threat on topic.

[Kevin Wood]

As mentioned previously, let's try and keep this threat on topic.

I see what you did there.