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[kris9128]

YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS

Get down to Moss Side you!  

I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
 1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over

That is the problem Kris, you are right!  Man, if not controlled, will take up arms if of the wrong frame of mind or trained to kill by the state.
Therefore without good political, state control, should we allow arms to be so readily available in our badly disciplined society? :-/

exactly. it's about time man stood up and accepted the cosequences of his actions instead of blaming it on other things. the only thing that kills man is man. simple as that.
vehicles kill people per year than weapons do so should we ban all vehicles. it's never ending . what we need to do is start handing out prison sentences that are appropriate to the crime commited. but that will never happen.

[FRE07962128]

YES i would let my kids play with guns, be it cap cuns or air rifles or when they get older shotguns. cotrary to popular belief, guns are NOT DANGEROUS

Get down to Moss Side you!  

I live just down the road from moss side mate and have lost many a good friend due to gun crime. but still stand by my beliefs that guns are NOT DANGEROUS.
it's the people that have ready access to them that are dangerous.
 1 simple easy test.
get 1 gun, load it and make ready. sit it on a table in a busy place (trafford centre ) leave it there for 12 mths and see how many people it injures/ kills. i would put money on it just sitting there gathering dust and not hurting a single person.
what we need to understand is thatv it is MAN that is the danger not some inanimate object, be it a gun/knife/ screwdriver etc etc.
i'm not making light of gun crime and sincerely appologise if i have upset anybody with my comments.
i have been brought up around weapons air rifles/ shot guns/ cross bows. compound bows. i can hold my hand on my heart and honestly say that i have NEVER killed another living thing with any of these weapons. at the end of the day it's all down to the person who is holding the weapon. NOT THE WEAPON ITSELF. rant over

That is the problem Kris, you are right!  Man, if not controlled, will take up arms if of the wrong frame of mind or trained to kill by the state.
Therefore without good political, state control, should we allow arms to be so readily available in our badly disciplined society? :-/

exactly. it's about time man stood up and accepted the cosequences of his actions instead of blaming it on other things. the only thing that kills man is man. simple as that.
vehicles kill people per year than weapons do so should we ban all vehicles. it's never ending . what we need to do is start handing out prison sentences that are appropriate to the crime commited. but that will never happen.

In Politics that is a word that should not be used, as eventually everything is possible given new policies and a Government that is not Labour, led by an elightened Prime Minister, who finally sees the need to give justice to the people instead of the criminal!

[LJay]

As you say Lizzie kids have played with toy guns for years! Yes i will let my boys play with toy guns, they should be brought up with a respect for what they can do. I think it does more harm than good to make these things a taboo. In my experience this leads to curiosity and kids will experiment outside of your control which in some cases can lead to disastrous consequences.
We need to educate our kids not deprive them!

[FRE07962128]

As you say Lizzie kids have played with toy guns for years! Yes i will let my boys play with toy guns, they should be brought up with a respect for what they can do. I think it does more harm than good to make these things a taboo. In my experience this leads to curiosity and kids will experiment outside of your control which in some cases can lead to disastrous consequences.
We need to educate our kids not deprive them!

Very good point Ljay!!  The question then is how to educate them effectively, especially those kids out there who have already 'slipped through the net'?

[JueV6]

When I was a kid my father was in Military hardward refurbishment, so i was brought up with guns, Not just Shotguns, but anything from an officers side arm (Webley revolvers and Browning 9mm's) to 25lbr ceremonial field guns, Bofars, 4.5 and 5.5 Howitzers and 105mm.

I was taught at a very early age what damage ALL guns, pellet / shotgun / firearms can do.

After joining the RE as a combat engineer, and having to use them for real just makes you think about what you are doing. I would not stop my kids from playing "Cowboys and Indians" or "Wars" But only in a secure enviroment. NOT out in the street like I did.

Carrying anything that looks like a "Gun" in the street nowdays is a very risky thing to do, with that state of the world as it is. Not saying that the Police are trigger happy at all, but even in training only a few weeks ago a Police Officer was shot by accident.

[LJay]

Educate them and irresponsible parents with the barrel end of the gun!
Havent got the time or the inclination to spend worrying how to educate them. Need to concentrate on educating my own as no one else will!
Selfish i know but thats life!

[Nickbat]

By sheer coincidence, i was reading this article last night:

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2008/7/3/is-gun-control-behind-our-loss-of-civil-liberties.html

It's longish, but presents some very interesting views on gun control and violence.

What we need on our streets in zero-tolerance (the policy that managed to clean up NYC in a very short space of time), an expansion of stop-and search in troubled areas, and the introduction of realistic penalties for wrong-doers.

On toy guns, I personally believe that they neither encourage nor glorify killing. Having said that, I'm not sure I'd want my little 'un taking a toy gun into "Show and Tell" simply because I would not wish him to run foul of the PC brigade at the age of 3...    

[HolyCount]

Educate them and irresponsible parents with the barrel end of the gun!
Havent got the time or the inclination to spend worrying how to educate them. Need to concentrate on educating my own as no one else will!
Selfish i know but thats life!

I disagree -- this is not selfish at all ---- this is what should be happening in every family.  If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.

[Vamps]

I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.

Only my tuppence worth.

[JueV6]

I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.

Only my tuppence worth.

But who allows these to be sold to YOOF's as alot of them are 18+

[Vamps]

I have no problem's with toy gun's thogh swmbo has not let the boys have any, other than water pistols, however; what about computer games, have you seen how violent som of these are
Well I don't think that that has any effect either on kids that are brought up in a loving family where standards and discipline are normal day to day expectations. More important to understand what is real and what is not, what is right and what is wrong.

Only my tuppence worth.

But who allows these to be sold to YOOF's as alot of them are 18+

Would that be like alcohol and ciggies then
Anyway get back to the chores and let the Mrs on..........

[Andy B]

.......  If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.

What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent?  :-?

[Vamps]

.......  If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.

What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent?  :-?

That makes us 1/4 bad parent 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!!
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.

[JueV6]

.......  If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.

What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent?  :-?

That makes us 1/4 bad parent 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!!
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.

And Daughters......

[Vamps]

.......  If every parent took their responsibilities seriously and saw that their offspring were brought up "correctly" there wouldn't be half the problems we experience these days.

What if ...... both your kids are brought up exactly the same, have both been given the same advantages etc etc and one of them turns out great and the other .... err.. doesn't?
Am I only half a bad parent?  :-?

That makes us 1/4 bad parent 1 out of 3 step sons has given a lot of grief, in part it is down to his father but mostly cos he thinks the world owes him a living and he does not need to do anythin in return. this is about to reach a climax in our house, one way or another. it's a long story!!!!!!!
Not everything is down to parenting, the basics certainly are though.

And Daughters......

She give no trouble, only future worry...............