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[EMD]

Well, due to time restraints and access to the shop for own work I've had to get them from a local supplier.

Quinton Hazell for £73 inc. VAT for the pair.

Was really hoping to get time to put ATP ones on, having used them previously, but it is what it is. Arrive tomorrow. Hopefully they'll last at least a year. 

Interesting.  Mine needs new shocks and while it's all apart I want to change the wishbones as well, but after a bad experience with a set of ATP's I won't be buying them again. 

Is the rear bush carrier welded all the way round on your QH set or spot welded like the ATP's? 

 

[Lazydocker]

Well, due to time restraints and access to the shop for own work I've had to get them from a local supplier.

Quinton Hazell for £73 inc. VAT for the pair.

Was really hoping to get time to put ATP ones on, having used them previously, but it is what it is. Arrive tomorrow. Hopefully they'll last at least a year. 

Bloody Americanism's

Would be ok if he put 'shop though

[05omegav6]

Well, due to time restraints and access to the shop for own work I've had to get them from a local supplier.

Quinton Hazell for £73 inc. VAT for the pair.

Was really hoping to get time to put ATP ones on, having used them previously, but it is what it is. Arrive tomorrow. Hopefully they'll last at least a year. 

Interesting.  Mine needs new shocks and while it's all apart I want to change the wishbones as well, but after a bad experience with a set of ATP's I won't be buying them again. 

Is the rear bush carrier welded all the way round on your QH set or spot welded like the ATP's? 

 

Wtf.

All wishbones are two halves, top and bottom, these are spot welded together.

The bush mountings are seam welded... The difference is that some will only be welded at the load points on the rear bush and some are welded around the entire circumference of the rear bush...

Even genuine bones aren't guaranteed to be completely welded.

The current crop of Febi bones look to be continuously welded. But I have had two wishbones bought at the same time from the same supplier be one of each, so don't rely on that detail being a given...

Sir Tig, define a bad experience... If you're disappointed about their lifespan then you need to allow for the fact that they won't last as long as genuine bushes. 20K is about their limit. Their price makes them practically a service item anyway.

If your issue is with ATP then elaborate. I for one won't be using Allgerman again.

[Sir Tigger KC]

Wtf.

Is that necessary?

All wishbones are two halves, top and bottom, these are spot welded together.

The bush mountings are seam welded... The difference is that some will only be welded at the load points on the rear bush and some are welded around the entire circumference of the rear bush...

Even genuine bones aren't guaranteed to be completely welded.

The current crop of Febi bones look to be continuously welded. But I have had two wishbones bought at the same time from the same supplier be one of each, so don't rely on that detail being a given...

I'm talking about the rear bush carrier, not the wishbone itself.  Some are welded in with a continuous seam all round and some like those ATP supply are welded at 3 or 4 points which I described as 'spot welded'.  I was being a bit sarky, but for those who took that literally 'non continuous weld' is probably a better description.  Obviously the latter cannot be as strong as the former.  You of all people should understand this. 

Sir Tig, define a bad experience... If you're disappointed about their lifespan then you need to allow for the fact that they won't last as long as genuine bushes. 20K is about their limit. Their price makes them practically a service item anyway.

If your issue is with ATP then elaborate. I for one won't be using Allgerman again.

I fitted a set of ATP wishbones as per the OOF guide.  The front bushes failed at about 8000 miles/9 months. So I cut them out and fitted poly bushes, which improved the handling but it still wasn't right and so I decided that there was too much play in the rear bushes.  I bought a pair of GM bushes with the intention of fitting them to the ATP wishbones, but when I removed them found that the 'non continuous' welds on the rear bush carrier had started to crack.  I lost confidence in them and refitted the set of £40 ebay wishbones (with the polys, GM rear bushes and new balljoints) that the ATP's replaced. 

I'm aware that many members here have had nothing but good experiences with ATP wishbones, unfortunately I didn't and so don't share your love-in with ATP of Der Vaterland.  You obviously didn't have a good experience with All German, but I don't think anyone has jumped down your throat when you have shared your experience. 

Do you have shares in ATP, because you promote them like you depend on the Divi's! 

[STEMO]

Ohhhhh......all this 'fixing' of things sounds like hard work. Glad none of my cars ever need 'fixing'. 

[tunnie]

Ohhhhh......all this 'fixing' of things sounds like hard work. Glad none of my cars ever need 'fixing'. 

You don't own them long enough 

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Both of mine need lots of fixing but I don't have the time, energy or money to fix them, so a bit of bodging here & there keeps them just about mobile. 

[STEMO]

Ohhhhh......all this 'fixing' of things sounds like hard work. Glad none of my cars ever need 'fixing'. 

You don't own them long enough 

Yep. That's the trick.

[VXL V6]

Personally I use Lemforders from AGP and fit Poly fronts from new (well swap them out from the last set). I do quite a high annual mileage so cannot really live with the 20K lifespan talked about on here of other wishbone brands as I'd be changing them at least twice a year which I don't think is acceptable. As it is I change them between 12 - 18 months depending on their condition.

I've got a stash of old stock, new, genuine GM rear bushes but haven't bothered refurbishing any of the wishbones I've removed yet as I'd like to examine them more closely before starting that process.

Just my opinion of course and while I appreciate the costs I pay along with the lifespan means it costs overall more money than other solutions, I am happier to do this.

[05omegav6]

Lol re the divs... I wish, but no.

The Wtf was aimed at the drama Queen oop narf.

You could probably have gotten somewhere sending those wishbones back, but is the hassle worth it for the cost? Probably not... Hence the caveat re life expectancy.

[Webby the Bear]

Martin, yep 3 years mate. And 22k miles so right around what al said to expect.

Well, shop was quiet so got them on. That rear bolt is a fcking pain in the arse! But already feel a tighter front end and no wandering so the diagnosis was good. Thanks for all the recommendations. I may have to do them next year or 3 years. But at that price no dramas 

[Webby the Bear]

Oh and gave me a good chance to inspect everything. Gonna need some pads and rotors (lol) soon. Does it ever end?!?!

[EMD]

Oh and gave me a good chance to inspect everything. Gonna need some pads and rotors (lol) soon. Does it ever end?!?!

Griffin will like that word , you been watching too much ericthecarguy 

[dbug]

Wtf.

Is that necessary?

All wishbones are two halves, top and bottom, these are spot welded together.

The bush mountings are seam welded... The difference is that some will only be welded at the load points on the rear bush and some are welded around the entire circumference of the rear bush...

Even genuine bones aren't guaranteed to be completely welded.

The current crop of Febi bones look to be continuously welded. But I have had two wishbones bought at the same time from the same supplier be one of each, so don't rely on that detail being a given...

I'm talking about the rear bush carrier, not the wishbone itself.  Some are welded in with a continuous seam all round and some like those ATP supply are welded at 3 or 4 points which I described as 'spot welded'.  I was being a bit sarky, but for those who took that literally 'non continuous weld' is probably a better description.  Obviously the latter cannot be as strong as the former.  You of all people should understand this. 

Sir Tig, define a bad experience... If you're disappointed about their lifespan then you need to allow for the fact that they won't last as long as genuine bushes. 20K is about their limit. Their price makes them practically a service item anyway.

If your issue is with ATP then elaborate. I for one won't be using Allgerman again.

I fitted a set of ATP wishbones as per the OOF guide.  The front bushes failed at about 8000 miles/9 months. So I cut them out and fitted poly bushes, which improved the handling but it still wasn't right and so I decided that there was too much play in the rear bushes.  I bought a pair of GM bushes with the intention of fitting them to the ATP wishbones, but when I removed them found that the 'non continuous' welds on the rear bush carrier had started to crack.  I lost confidence in them and refitted the set of £40 ebay wishbones (with the polys, GM rear bushes and new balljoints) that the ATP's replaced. 

I'm aware that many members here have had nothing but good experiences with ATP wishbones, unfortunately I didn't and so don't share your love-in with ATP of Der Vaterland.  You obviously didn't have a good experience with All German, but I don't think anyone has jumped down your throat when you have shared your experience. 

Do you have shares in ATP, because you promote them like you depend on the Divi's! 

Nail on head mate - you're dealing with a gixer clone 

[tidla]

Fitted two new bushes from Gm today which has fixed the dive to one side on braking.

The ones which came out were only 7k miles old (First line crap).

Wheel alignment altered by a whole 12 deg.

Im guessing that as the ball joints are riveted these are the original arms?