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[Nick W]

I suspect migration will be the deciding factor, as the whole of mainland Europe, from Turkey to France is geared up to getting people from the eastern Med to the channel as efficiently as possible.

France and Germany(the only other two EU countries where people want to end up) have massive immigration problems of their own. Of course they are going to do that. The only reason we don't indulge in that level of SEP* is that as an island we actually have physical border security.




*Somebody Else's Problem

[ted_one]

Think for me,if everyone want's to come and live here....then it's not up to me to deal with the problems that it may cause,it's in the hands of the decision makers,so what I think is of no concern to them.

[Lazydocker]

£55 million squid a day ....just to be in the club,think we need a check up from the neck up....got to be a big NO! from me

Do a bit of research into what we get back

My only real comment on this, coming from a region that grows a lot of vegetables, is just remember that most Brits think they're above grafting a field all day for minimum wage

[05omegav6]

£55 million squid a day ....just to be in the club,think we need a check up from the neck up....got to be a big NO! from me

Do a bit of research into what we get back

My only real comment on this, coming from a region that grows a lot of vegetables, is just remember that most Brits think they're above grafting a field all day for minimum wage

This works...
http://www.esdc.gc.ca/en/foreign_workers/hire/agricultural/index.page

[Andy B]

Is there provision to add Boris's vote 

[Lazydocker]

£55 million squid a day ....just to be in the club,think we need a check up from the neck up....got to be a big NO! from me

Do a bit of research into what we get back

My only real comment on this, coming from a region that grows a lot of vegetables, is just remember that most Brits think they're above grafting a field all day for minimum wage

This works...
http://www.esdc.gc.ca/en/foreign_workers/hire/agricultural/index.page

You think that works when harvest date is very flexible, dependent on weather and forecasts

[Steve B]

Bet Boris will be on the dole by monday for that move 

[ted_one]

Minimum wage = benefits top up,goverment cost not employer!! think about that also

[EMD]

n total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project

 

[Broomies Mate]

n total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project

 

£85 billion?  In over 36 years?  If that's all, I might reconsider my position on the matter.

I'm quite sure it is far more than that! 

[Rods2]

To me it is very simple I want to be able to directly vote for those who make our laws and set our taxes. It is only by leaving that we will become a democracy again and can do that. Ministers and MPs complain all the time that they can't do what they would like to do and what is best for the UK as it is not compatible with EU law which overrides UK law. We are effectively controlled by an army of occupation, which is based in Brussels.

When it was the EEC it was mainly a trading club, since the French Mitterrand / Delors power grab and the formation of the EU it has been a disaster for the citizens of Europe. A very telling statistic is that for advanced countries our percentage of global trade has dropped between 2000-2014 as other countries especially the BRICS have grown. US has dropped by 9%, but the EU countries have over 18%. The EU nano-management of countries is killing enterprise, which hits all of our pockets.

In 1931 we got out early from the Gold Standard, the pound dropped against other currencies but our economy recovered very quickly, unlike the US and mainland Europe which hung on much longer. The EU with their overregulation is having a similar effect on Europe with virtually no economic growth, even Germany is struggling, time for us to leave again early and all of us to get richer as a result. At some point the EU in its present form will collapse like other previous grandiose French schemes for becoming the leading power and hegemony in Europe. Their predecessor to the Euro, the Latin Monetary Unit (LMU) which collapsed in 1923 shows that the French learn't nothing from this as they both have the same flaws. A good comparison on EU economic competence is to compare two countries that were bankrupt in 2008, Iceland who sorted themselves out and Greece where the EU got involved. Iceland is thriving, Greece has 24% unemployment and 50% youth unemployment.

Personally, I know when we have been sold a lemon. It's time to reclaim our democracy, it's time to be kind to our pockets, it's time to leave.

[Broomies Mate]

Rods...

MP's complain because they are passing the buck.  This is not 100% of the time, but a vast majority.

Greece shouldn't be included in your argument on the merit they couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery.  Iceland.... meh, they have nothing to trade.

[Lazydocker]

n total since 1979, Britain has paid in about €260 billion (£228 billion). It has received back  in benefits just €163 billion (£143 billion). The difference of €97 billion (£85 billion at today’s exchange rate) has been Britain’s subsidy to the European project

 

Which fails to account for free trade in both directions, amongst other benefits

Anybody who thinks an in/out decision should be made purely on the finances needs to research some more

Plus, of course, there is the considerable increase in costs for anything we buy in the shops of EU origin - Check your next basket of groceries for a start! Plus the majority of car parts you buy as a second

[Sir Tigger KC]

Plus, of course, there is the considerable increase in costs for anything we buy in the shops of EU origin - Check your next basket of groceries for a start! Plus the majority of car parts you buy as a second

That's a massive assumption, as we don't know what kind of UK\EU trade deal will be put in place in the event of Brexit.   

Given that we have a trade deficit with the EU, they would be plan daft to implement tariffs and duties on trade with the UK.  If they did, it would be out of spite and would prove what a shower of shits they are, and that we had made the right decision! 

Of course we will be bombarded with scaremongering propaganda, that everyone will lose their jobs and we're all off to hell in a handcart if we leave the EU.   

[ted_one]

There's a lot of foreign companies already here and milking us with higher prices i.e rail/energy etc which the people in France and Germany are not dumb enough to put up with.