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[gbh]

Staying in won't save your job that's for sure!!!

[LC0112G]

Toyota Chairman.
https://next.ft.com/content/1afaf414-b81f-11e5-b151-8e15c9a029fb

Edit. Above link wont work, but if you google, Toyota chairman says Toyota wont leave UK if we brexit, the FT article will appear.

That report was posted in several papers on January 11, 2016. Toyota deny ever saying anything resembling that, and posted the following blog on Feb 23rd 2016 :

http://blog.toyota.co.uk/statement-from-toyota-in-regards-to-the-uk-eu-referendum-june-23rd-2016

So either the pro Brexit papers made it all up, or Toyota have changed their mind.

From the official posts on the Nissan and Toyota websites, it's fairly clear to me what they think.

[Entwood]

I'm not old enough to remember but i'm sure when we voted in nobody mentioned its going to cost most of the people in the fishing industry their jobs and rather a lot of jobs at that???

If the fishing industry had continued the way they were they would have been out of business 10 years ago, and there would be no fish left in the North Sea. The EU has actually enabled them to continue to work, albeit in a reduced manner, and has preserved several species of fish that otherwise would be extinct or nearly so. Fishermen have VERY selective memories and distribution of facts ... bit like the rest of the leave campaign.

You can't fish if you've killed all the fish
You can't export if the country taking the goods puts a large tariff on those goods
You can't demand every country in the world does what you want, simply because you demand it
You can't stop immigration and expand the NHS at the same time as most NHS workers are immigrants
You can't stop immigration and have cheap agriculture as most agricultural workers are immigrants
You can't take the money we pay to be in the EU and spend it 5 times over on 5 different pet projects

You can't hope things happen your way simply because you wish it... there's a real world out there .....

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'm not old enough to remember but i'm sure when we voted in nobody mentioned its going to cost most of the people in the fishing industry their jobs and rather a lot of jobs at that???

If the fishing industry had continued the way they were they would have been out of business 10 years ago, and there would be no fish left in the North Sea. The EU has actually enabled them to continue to work, albeit in a reduced manner, and has preserved several species of fish that otherwise would be extinct or nearly so. Fishermen have VERY selective memories and distribution of facts ... bit like the rest of the leave campaign.

You can't fish if you've killed all the fish
You can't export if the country taking the goods puts a large tariff on those goods
You can't demand every country in the world does what you want, simply because you demand it
You can't stop immigration and expand the NHS at the same time as most NHS workers are immigrants
You can't stop immigration and have cheap agriculture as most agricultural workers are immigrants
You can't take the money we pay to be in the EU and spend it 5 times over on 5 different pet projects

You can't hope things happen your way simply because you wish it... there's a real world out there .....

There's a lot of assumptions in that post Entwood.

We'll never know what might have happened to the British fishing industry had we not joined the EU.
Why do you assume that the EU or other countries are going to slap large tariffs on our goods?  There are WTO rules on that.
Who's demanding anything?  We can say what we would like to happen but I can't see an independent UK government adopting gunboat diplomacy!
Nobody is talking about stopping immigration.
Nobody is talking about stopping immigration.
It's just examples of what the money could be spent on.

As you often say.... Lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story! 

[aaronjb]

18 pages on I'm none the wiser on which way to vote myself, but I have a crystal clear view of which way several members here are going to vote and I'm very sure none will be persuaded of the opposing view..

[TheBoy]

18 pages on I'm none the wiser on which way to vote myself, but I have a crystal clear view of which way several members here are going to vote and I'm very sure none will be persuaded of the opposing view..

That about hits the nail fair and square.

I'm still for convincing, as my heart says one thing, and my head says the opposite.

But virtually all of whats been posted in this thread is complete 'dangle berries'.  Much like whats being said by Westminster and beyond.

[STEMO]

'dangle berries' is all that's available, I'm afraid. 'dangle berries' from the leave camp because they themselves have no idea what would happen, and 'dangle berries' from the remain camp because they've gone too far with the scare tactics and are not going to backtrack now.

[Nick W]

18 pages on I'm none the wiser on which way to vote myself, but I have a crystal clear view of which way several members here are going to vote and I'm very sure none will be persuaded of the opposing view..

That about hits the nail fair and square.

I'm still for convincing, as my heart says one thing, and my head says the opposite.

But virtually all of whats been posted in this thread is complete 'dangle berries'.  Much like whats being said by Westminster and beyond.

That's politics.


But it could be worse, we could be discussing religion

[aaronjb]

18 pages on I'm none the wiser on which way to vote myself, but I have a crystal clear view of which way several members here are going to vote and I'm very sure none will be persuaded of the opposing view..

That about hits the nail fair and square.

I'm still for convincing, as my heart says one thing, and my head says the opposite.

But virtually all of whats been posted in this thread is complete 'dangle berries'.  Much like whats being said by Westminster and beyond.

I did a "quiz" thing earlier that was meant to tell me where I sat on the spectrum ([edit] voting spectrum, not autism spectrum ) - it actually gives arguments for and against behind each point to help you make up your mind - and at the end of that? I was more or less right in the middle, 50/50 either way. So that helped.

Article: https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/blog/2/steve-hilton-eu-referendum-bombshell-crowdpac-in-or-out-test
The "quiz": https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

[tigers_gonads]

73% OUT for me 

[Viral_Jim]

18 pages on I'm none the wiser on which way to vote myself, but I have a crystal clear view of which way several members here are going to vote and I'm very sure none will be persuaded of the opposing view..

That about hits the nail fair and square.

I'm still for convincing, as my heart says one thing, and my head says the opposite.

But virtually all of whats been posted in this thread is complete 'dangle berries'.  Much like whats being said by Westminster and beyond.

That's my biggest issue with the whole way the referendum has been discussed. This end of the world rhetoric has only served to reaffirm the decisions of those whose minds were already made up. Whilst creating deep divided between the two camps as both can (legitimately) say if the other "you'd have to be oppsing crackers to believe the nonsense your side is spouting".

Ironically, I think if either side had made a reasoned honest bid for the middle ground, they'd have won the argument by winning the undecideds.

It pains me beyond expression to say this but the only one whose done that so far is Corbyn. And he's been slammed for not being passionate (read: dishonest) about the issue

[STEMO]

73% OUT for me 

65% out.

[Viral_Jim]

73% OUT for me 

65% out.

Closet's emptying fast. 

We'll soon have enough for an acapella rendition of I am what I am! 

[Mister Rog]

73% OUT for me 

65% out.

Closet's emptying fast. 

We'll soon have enough for an acapella rendition of I am what I am! 

Blimey, that's a posh word  Good though   

[STEMO]

73% OUT for me 

65% out.

Closet's emptying fast. 

We'll soon have enough for an acapella rendition of I am what I am! 

Ok...35% in.