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[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

96 % out. I'm not as Eurosceptic as I thought. 

[Rods2]

Interesting and long report by Professor David Blake City University London on why the projections by the treasury, IMF, OECD and WHO are dangerous discredited deception a massive misuse of statistics modeling based on the Gravity model. The Treasury report has been widely used by Dodgy Dave, Gideon and the Remain case of the economic meltdown of leaving. All of them have the same results from their modelling as they have used the same assumptions and models to provide a common geopolitical deception by the establishment.

Professor David Blake has 40 years of economic modelling including inventing The Gravity Model. It is not necessary to read or understand the short mathematical description of the VED model to understand that the results are purely the result of arbitrary assumptions made by the treasury. Garbage in to get the right political result out and to the use these incorrect results in an incorrect arbitrary way to give the 'right' scare story.

The problem in politics of trying to scare all the people all of the time is that some like Prof Dave Blake are too smart to be fooled and even worse they can write a clear factual response. Unlike the Treasury all that Prof David Blake can tell us is that we will all be better off in 2030 and he gives a range. He said a fundamental mistake of the Treasury report is that it only models the Remain case with the Gravity model where it should also include the the ROW Gravity Leave model, but that would probably kill the scare story as the economic results are better (This is the case with Professor Patrick Minford's model who is one of the UK's leading macroeconomic modelling experts). His section on the dangers of remaining and the Euro and what any second year student learns about the conditions for a successful currency union is interesting, where the Euro fails on most counts and all it offers at best is a long grim future for the Southern peripheral nations.

http://www.cass.city.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/320758/BlakeReviewsTreasuryModels.pdf

[TheBoy]

quiz says I'm 51% out.  So that didn't really help

[STEMO]

Trouble with that questionnaire is there's a lot of 'agree slightly' and the like. You'd have to be pretty hard-line to go with all the 'totally disagree/agree'.

[TD]

Trouble with that questionnaire is there's a lot of 'agree slightly' and the like. You'd have to be pretty hard-line to go with all the 'totally disagree/agree'.

I did with a few questions.....and got 63% out.....which is probably be the way I vote...

Even if it means a few years of 'recession' , if the outcome is a better UK, then maybe it will be worth it .......

[Mister Rog]

Well, at last I see a possibly valid reason to "Remain".  . . . "threat to our curry restaurants"     

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/immigration-curbs-a-threat-to-thriving-curry-restaurants-a3272066.html

[Lagondanet]

Vote OUT! 

[Kevin Wood]

Well, at last I see a possibly valid reason to "Remain".  . . . "threat to our curry restaurants"     

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/immigration-curbs-a-threat-to-thriving-curry-restaurants-a3272066.html

They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

[tigers_gonads]

Well, at last I see a possibly valid reason to "Remain".  . . . "threat to our curry restaurants"     

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/immigration-curbs-a-threat-to-thriving-curry-restaurants-a3272066.html

You ask any curry house owner up here and he will tell you that they are struggling like break to bring in proper qualified curry chefs across from India and Bangladesh to fill the gaps after the first generation chefs who came here retire.  With the British born offspring of these immigrants not wanting to follow into the family business, and wanting to branch out into other skills, you will find that some decent family businesses are closing rather then employ somebody who hasn't a clue about Asian cooking 

So yes, more shite from the Vote surrender your sovereignty Remain camp 

[LC0112G]

So yes, more shite from the Vote surrender your sovereignty Remain camp 

What's it got to do with either Leave or Remain campaigns? Non EU immigration policy is UK government controlled. Or more like un-controlled given that there are still more non-EU nationals coming here than EU nationals.

[tigers_gonads]

So yes, more shite from the Vote surrender your sovereignty Remain camp 

What's it got to do with either Leave or Remain campaigns? Non EU immigration policy is UK government controlled. Or more like un-controlled given that there are still more non-EU nationals coming here than EU nationals.

For me, the immigration side is just a part of the problem with the EU.
They want a unified state of Europe, I want a trade agreement with them. Not have them sticking there noses into British laws and to decide who come to my country, NOT them 

[LC0112G]

For me, the immigration side is just a part of the problem with the EU.
They want a unified state of Europe, I want a trade agreement with them. Not have them sticking there noses into British laws and to decide who come to my country, NOT them 

I understand that - but this story appears to be about people from the Indian sub continent (specifically Curry Chefs) not being able to come here. That is completely within the UK govt's control and nothing to do with the EU, so the story has nothing to do with either Leave or Remain campaigns.

[johnny_boy]

Illustrates the muddle of leave. They really want less immigration. Eu is just in the way of that, hence the lack of interest in economic arguments. Its single issue politics.

[Varche]

That quiz was a good post.

73% out for me.

[Doctor Gollum]

Illustrates the muddle of leave. They really want less immigration. Eu is just in the way of that, hence the lack of interest in economic arguments. Its single issue politics.

Technically any immigrant to the EU, illegal or otherwise should be processed at point of entry, ie Greece or Italy.

It's easier for these countries to issue local citizenship documentation than to deport... and because those initial points of entry have limited work and no welfare budget, the newly endowed arrivals move on... open borders and unrestricted movement of migrant workers within the EU means these people can legitimately come here and start claiming.

And you only have to look at the numbers of people in the Calais area waiting for a chance to get here, having bypassed/ignored France and Germany on the way (both of which have welfare systems at least as supportive as ours) to see that this is a real issue, and one that can only be tackled by being able to regulate our borders more effectively. The only reason the effects are currently not being fully felt across the country is a natural barrier commonly known as The English Channel.