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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #45 on: 28 September 2016, 09:31:50 »

On a serious note, I always give cyclists plenty of room in case they wobble/fall off but, just to put this in to perspective, some of our back roads are only nine feet wide. How do I get a six feet wide car past a bike and still leave five feet clear?  :-\  There must be some massive tailbacks in Cornwall now.   ;D

You've rumbled their lycra clad nefarious plan! They won't be happy until all roads in the UK are a 20mph limit, right Matt?  :P

(Just kidding, honest)

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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #46 on: 28 September 2016, 09:34:52 »

I often think that this time of year is when the ill will to cyclists is the highest.  You have the tail end of the summer cyclist still cycling to work/pub contemplating when they should revert back to pre-summer transport and who thinks that if there are street lights then riding with no lights is ok for a week or so while they switch between pavement and road when it suits them.

And that image stays with motorists all year.

While the rest of us who cycle all year round, obey the rules, are courteous and safe get all the agro from October to April.

Just a theory, you understand  ;D

These were Lycra clad and making a constant 20 MPH on an undulating road, so quite fit (well, the woman looked to be from behind, at any rate).  :P

It's not hard to see how a few bad eggs spoil things.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #47 on: 28 September 2016, 09:43:30 »

On your travels you might get a prick cyclist who cannot think outside of his own reality but that won't count for nowt to the rozzers when you speed past him at 60mph and send him head first in to the hedge and his helmet cam footage leaves you no choice but to plead guilty ::)

.. and, just for balance. Cyclists today on my way home from work. Country lane, narrow but plenty of safe passing opportunities. Cyclists looked back, saw me in a car, carried on 2 abreast. >:(

I don't bother or normally worry too much over cyclists. However, the situation Kevin describes really gets me angry. A simple move into single file, and everybody is happy....but no.....and its not only country lanes.  >:(
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« Reply #48 on: 28 September 2016, 09:50:46 »

Ever since we had the Tour de Yorkshire the amount of lycra clad wanna be`s has increased ten fold and at weekends the country roads are full ignorant cyclists riding two and three abreast and not one group has ever gone into single file to allow cars to pass safely  >:( >:( >:(

It`s no wonder they get a bad name.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #49 on: 28 September 2016, 10:16:43 »

They won't be happy until all roads in the UK are a 20mph limit, right Matt?  :P

So long as the speed limit doesn't count for cyclists  ::)

Which according to case law that is currently how it stands  (stands back and waits for the fireworks)
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« Reply #50 on: 28 September 2016, 10:25:27 »

Ever since we had the Tour de Yorkshire the amount of lycra clad wanna be`s has increased ten fold and at weekends the country roads are full ignorant cyclists riding two and three abreast and not one group has ever gone into single file to allow cars to pass safely  >:( >:( >:(

It`s no wonder they get a bad name.

You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #51 on: 28 September 2016, 10:47:28 »

Ever since we had the Tour de Yorkshire the amount of lycra clad wanna be`s has increased ten fold and at weekends the country roads are full ignorant cyclists riding two and three abreast and not one group has ever gone into single file to allow cars to pass safely  >:( >:( >:(

It`s no wonder they get a bad name.

You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.

Maybe not but it is common courtesy
Ever since we had the Tour de Yorkshire the amount of lycra clad wanna be`s has increased ten fold and at weekends the country roads are full ignorant cyclists riding two and three abreast and not one group has ever gone into single file to allow cars to pass safely  >:( >:( >:(

It`s no wonder they get a bad name.

You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.

Depends on what you call a long row....5?...10? or more?  that you would have to assess in the same way you over take a couple of slow moving cars by making sure the road is straight enough and with enough clear space to safely overtake.

There have been some cycle racing going on near Harrogate for years and these are single riders sent out on timed intervals a bit like the Isle of Man TT races and there`s never an issue with this as you come across single riders every couple of hundred metres and they`re usually shifting a bit too.

The ones that get my goat are the ones that ride in close groups of about 6 or 7 riding two and three abreast so they can all chat and couldn`t give a hoots about anyone else outside their little bubble.
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« Reply #52 on: 28 September 2016, 12:11:41 »

The last time I came upon a group riding 2-3 abreast down a narrow road they were courteous beside one who appeared to be deaf (maybe he actually was ;D) - once I was spotted behind them they split into two groups of 3 and went single file, I overtook each group when it was clear and safe to do so.

Not like I could hammer down that stretch of road, anyway, despite how initially grump inducing meeting them was ;)
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #54 on: 28 September 2016, 14:49:05 »

Ever since we had the Tour de Yorkshire the amount of lycra clad wanna be`s has increased ten fold and at weekends the country roads are full ignorant cyclists riding two and three abreast and not one group has ever gone into single file to allow cars to pass safely  >:( >:( >:(

It`s no wonder they get a bad name.

You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.




Required in who's eyes ?
The lycra clad idiot who drives through red lights on a regular basis ?
The lycra clad idiot who rides on the pavement when it suits him ?
The lycra clad w@nker that nearly ran me and the dog over this morning while on a zebra crossing after 2 lanes of traffic stopped and he couldn't be arsed to ?
He did have a very nice camera bolted to the top of his helmet though which would have been used to prosecute me for smashing fook out of him if he would have had the balls to stop instead of riding off laughing  >:(

Matt is spot on with his opinion of motor vehicles passing too close to push bikes BUT to say that just because the law states that a cycle doesn't have to travel in single file then its okay to do what the fook you like is 'dangle berries'.
Its about time cyclists remembered that they are vulnerable and should take more care to avoid accidents, rather then deliberately holding up other traffic just because they can   >:(

The roads are plenty big enough for all modes of transport IF everybody took a little time to use that road in a safe, respectful and courteous manor  :)
Sadly, when a motorist breaks the law, the police tend to hound and prosecute to the max.
When a cyclist breaks the law, he whines about it "not been fair" and blubs about those "horrible motorists" and gets away with friggin murder  >:( >:(

So you tell me, what is the real problem here ? 
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #55 on: 28 September 2016, 15:04:13 »

They won't be happy until all roads in the UK are a 20mph limit, right Matt?  :P

So long as the speed limit doesn't count for cyclists  ::)

Which according to case law that is currently how it stands  (stands back and waits for the fireworks)
You are quite correct G, but the absence of a speed limit for cyclists doesn`t give them immunity for "speeding" as they can be charged and prosecuted for "cycling furiously" and/or "cycling dangerously or carelessly".
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #56 on: 28 September 2016, 15:25:33 »


You do know that single file isn't required? And how would you safely pass a long row of them?

Like a lot of other road users that aren't cars, cycles have characteristics that car drivers simply have to accept. As I've said before, many road users are temperamentally unsuited to what they are doing.




Required in who's eyes ?
The lycra clad idiot who drives through red lights on a regular basis ?
The lycra clad idiot who rides on the pavement when it suits him ?
The lycra clad w@nker that nearly ran me and the dog over this morning while on a zebra crossing after 2 lanes of traffic stopped and he couldn't be arsed to ?
He did have a very nice camera bolted to the top of his helmet though which would have been used to prosecute me for smashing fook out of him if he would have had the balls to stop instead of riding off laughing  >:(

Matt is spot on with his opinion of motor vehicles passing too close to push bikes BUT to say that just because the law states that a cycle doesn't have to travel in single file then its okay to do what the fook you like is 'dangle berries'.
Its about time cyclists remembered that they are vulnerable and should take more care to avoid accidents, rather then deliberately holding up other traffic just because they can   >:(

The roads are plenty big enough for all modes of transport IF everybody took a little time to use that road in a safe, respectful and courteous manner  :)
So you tell me, what is the real problem here ?


I have never said it's OK to do whatever you like. But cyclists riding in single file or blocks is often a case of choosing the least bad option. Pulling over is only advisable when it is safe to do so. On a narrow, busy or even fast moving road taking charge of the traffic is what any road user who has had instruction is specifically taught to to do. You do it in a car. A cyclist riding in the middle of his lane due to bad conditions(which could be the road surface, traffic, whatever) is no different to a truck driver swinging out early to make a tight turn: it is to reduce the need to explain, and figure out who is going to pay for, the 'accident'.


I've explained the real problem many times: many people who use the roads are aggressive, incompetent, incapable, unaware of their surroundings, day dreaming, on the phone, lost, not looking or thinking what they are doing, and think that the laws and adopted best practice don't apply to them. That's just what people are like; there's nothing to be done about it.
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« Reply #57 on: 28 September 2016, 15:35:47 »

But we can complain about it endlessly because we're British, damnit!
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Re: Motorists v Cyclists yet again
« Reply #58 on: 28 September 2016, 20:41:42 »

But we can complain about it endlessly because we're British, damnit!
Ah, that's the crux of the issue... We've become a bunch of whining ninnies with no stiff upper lip ::)
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« Reply #59 on: 28 September 2016, 21:06:30 »

Anyone who thinks that passing a cyclist with anything less than the legal limit of 1.5m should go to their local train station, wait for a train to approach on a pass-through without stopping, stand between the platform edge and the yellow and put their back to the oncoming train.  Only then will you get a feel for how flippin terrifying a close pass can be.

I agree that cyclists not following rules should also be brought to book but lets keep in mind the severity of the offence.  Riding on an empty crossing (not condoning it btw) is very minor compared to scaring the cr@p out of a cyclist by passing too close and potentially putting them in harm's way.

And I don't believe that 99% of cyclists are as you say.  As I mentioned some while back an observation driving in London last year showed that the majority of red-light runners were (in both actual number and in terms of road user %) mostly cars, vans and lorries not cyclists.  I make sure I am lit up like a Christmas tree day and night and I probably hurt people's sight with the brightness of my lights but I don't care.

At the end of the day it is up to you to drive in a defensive manner and treat other road users safely.  Whether the other road user is law-abiding or not, if you kill or hurt them you risk paying the price if you too were not following the rules.  If a cyclist is breaking the law and gets run over he pays with his/her life. So why not just wait a couple of seconds and pass a cyclist properly?  Time spent waiting to overtake a cyclist is usually taken off the time you would have spent at the next light/queue anyway :)

Problem is with battery LED illumination being so bright now that actually causes problems as the only thing other road users can see is your lights and not other less well illuminated dangers. My personal opinion is that cycle lights need to be regulated in line with other road vehicles now given the output.
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