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[zirk]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

I gave you the Dates of Manufacture between what we would call PFL, MFL, and FL.

You claimed That didn't help you, because of the cross over period in 97/98 between PFL and MFL.

The easist way from the outside between PFL and MFL (and the FL) is to look at the front of the car, and spot the changes in design between all three.

The Head Rest response, these are the things that sit on the top of the seats, give a clear indication between PFL and MFL.

[zirk]

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...

Yea but, hang on, would that be Star Silver 1, II, III, z147 or z157...   

[Doctor Gollum]

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...

Yea but, hang on, would that be Star Silver 1, II, III, z147 or z157...   

Depends on the model year...

[zirk]

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...

Yea but, hang on, would that be Star Silver 1, II, III, z147 or z157...   

Depends on the model year...

And how would I be able to tell that then. 

[anV6]

He quoted your post, which was about the seats...

He actually did not.

[anV6]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

I gave you the Dates of Manufacture between what we would call PFL, MFL, and FL.

You claimed That didn't help you, because of the cross over period in 97/98 between PFL and MFL.

The easist way from the outside between PFL and MFL (and the FL) is to look at the front of the car, and spot the changes in design between all three.

The Head Rest response, these are the things that sit on the top of the seats, give a clear indication between PFL and MFL.

Your second sentence still reads as if you are talking about differences in the actual front end of the three stages. If you are, I would like to ask what are the differences.

I know what headrests are. 

[Andy B]

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...

Yea but, hang on, would that be Star Silver 1, II, III, z147 or z157...   

Depends on the model year...

Did they do them in silver? Black were the fastest 

[zirk]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

I gave you the Dates of Manufacture between what we would call PFL, MFL, and FL.

You claimed That didn't help you, because of the cross over period in 97/98 between PFL and MFL.

The easist way from the outside between PFL and MFL (and the FL) is to look at the front of the car, and spot the changes in design between all three.

The Head Rest response, these are the things that sit on the top of the seats, give a clear indication between PFL and MFL.

Your second sentence still reads as if you are talking about differences in the actual front end of the three stages. If you are, I would like to ask what are the differences.

I know what headrests are. 

Yes, which part of 'the front of the car' doesn't make sense.

Ok, a bit harsh maybe, I take it you dont need to know what a facelift looks like, so there are differences between the PFL and MFL in particular where the front grill meet the bumper.

Along with all the other differences that have been expalined in this thread by other members.

Hope that helps.  and with that, thats me done now. 

[anV6]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

I gave you the Dates of Manufacture between what we would call PFL, MFL, and FL.

You claimed That didn't help you, because of the cross over period in 97/98 between PFL and MFL.

The easist way from the outside between PFL and MFL (and the FL) is to look at the front of the car, and spot the changes in design between all three.

The Head Rest response, these are the things that sit on the top of the seats, give a clear indication between PFL and MFL.

Your second sentence still reads as if you are talking about differences in the actual front end of the three stages. If you are, I would like to ask what are the differences.

I know what headrests are. 

Yes, which part of 'the front of the car' doesn't make sense.

What are the differences in the front end of the cars between PFL and MFL?

[zirk]

Read the post above, I edited it, Im off now.

[anV6]

He was referring to the seats

Ok. He might have been. But when you read: "The different front styles of the car is a bit of a give away between all three stages." you can't say it's obvious he is talking about the seats. It reads more like he was talking about the front style. As in the front end style. Otherwise why not write seat style?

So he might have meant seats, but it's definitely not clear enough, specially to warrant an eyeroll.

I gave you the Dates of Manufacture between what we would call PFL, MFL, and FL.

You claimed That didn't help you, because of the cross over period in 97/98 between PFL and MFL.

The easist way from the outside between PFL and MFL (and the FL) is to look at the front of the car, and spot the changes in design between all three.

The Head Rest response, these are the things that sit on the top of the seats, give a clear indication between PFL and MFL.

Your second sentence still reads as if you are talking about differences in the actual front end of the three stages. If you are, I would like to ask what are the differences.

I know what headrests are. 

Yes, which part of 'the front of the car' doesn't make sense.

Ok, a bit harsh maybe, I take it you dont need to know what a facelift looks like, so there are differences between the PFL and MFL in particular where the front grill meet the bumper.

Along with all the other differences that have been expalined in this thread by other members.

Hope that helps.  and with that, thats me done now. 

The difference must be very subtle. Apart from the different coloring of the bottom I don't see any differences. Specially not where the front grill meets the bumper.

[zirk]

Yes, its subtle, hence why I posted an easy to tell PFL/MFL Head Rest post.

What' does the picture tell you looking at the Head Rests.

[anV6]

Sure. The head rest deal I understood long ago. Hence why I was able to find the different pictures online. I wanted to understand the differences in the front design, which I still can't see any apart from the bottom chin color. Just trying to educate myself about the cars. That's all.

[Andy B]

, which I still can't see any apart from the bottom chin color.  ....

The coloured trim was fitted to the Elites (and presumably Opels equivalent)

[zirk]

I'll wager that when you find it, it will be Star Silver...

Yea but, hang on, would that be Star Silver 1, II, III, z147 or z157...   

Depends on the model year...

Did they do them in silver? Black were the fastest 

Black ones where only ever made for MV6, they had a longer boot line and hence fitted with the Irmscher spoiler rather than the Prodrive,  On rhe FL the Black MV6Se only came with the dual exit Exhaust on the Saloons and and a choice of double or twin exit on the Estates, up to 2002, post 2003 they were discontinued but became an parts otion pack on the very late Elites.