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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #15 on: 10 March 2017, 20:08:38 »

Taking the piston out isn't really an option  :-[

I don't know how big of a deal it is to remove on your car but usually just drop the sump and undo the 2 big end Conrod bolts and out it comes?

The issue is with the sump removal rather than taking out the piston - I'd have to lift the motor or drop the subframe.... and I'm not ready for really heavy work
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #16 on: 10 March 2017, 20:11:39 »

Missing circlip on the end of the pin?  :-\

Eg the pin holding the piston to the rod? How would that have happened?  :-\

If we're certain this scoring happened when the car was running, before it was dismantled, that makes me feel a bit better. I was worrying it's something I did during the repair process  :'(

Yeah. Pass... Manufacturing error?

I would bet money I don't have on it occuring well before you opened it up. And also that whatever did it has been "rubbing" against it for a long time rather than grinding/forcing against it for a short period of time.  Aside from which you'd have heard it if you'd caused that much marking in a short space of time.
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #17 on: 10 March 2017, 20:13:19 »

also that whatever did it has been "rubbing" against it for a long time rather than grinding/forcing against it for a short period of time.

So a chance something could still be in there?
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #18 on: 10 March 2017, 20:13:32 »

I pressume it isn't mirrored on the opposing side of the bore?
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #19 on: 10 March 2017, 20:14:14 »

I pressume it isn't mirrored on the opposing side of the bore?

Let me run out and have a look :y
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #20 on: 10 March 2017, 20:18:13 »

I pressume it isn't mirrored on the opposing side of the bore?

Nope, just went out for another look, just that one side.

I filled the cylinder with WD40 earlier, and it doesn't seem to have leaked down at all, maybe that's a good sign.

Also interesting how the score is dead vertically straight on each side?
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #21 on: 10 March 2017, 20:20:50 »

....
Also interesting how the score is dead vertically straight on each side?

not really, the piston only goes up & down  ;)

As suggested, idealy, you need the piston out to examine the piston ring grooves for crap or broken ring
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #22 on: 10 March 2017, 20:24:52 »

Hmm. The fact that there seem to be hundreds of marks all reaching various altitudes in the bore further backs up the theory that it is/was something floating around in the end of the wrist pin hole in the piston skirt thingamy.

Unlikely to be the wrist pin itself I would have thought as that would never have touched in the middle.

Have you got a higher res picture just out of curiosity. 
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #23 on: 10 March 2017, 20:26:14 »

I'll upload one in a tick and post a link rather than embedding, so I don't screw up this page :y
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #24 on: 10 March 2017, 20:30:20 »

http://www.uk-chat.co.uk/bmw/bore.jpg

This is the image without being shrunk
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #25 on: 10 March 2017, 20:34:03 »

Ah it's not central to the pin then. But very nearly the same width as the aperture...



Also looks like a weird casting mark horizontally 1/3 the way down? The honing looks a bit healthier in the top of the cyl behind, but maybe that's camera focus?
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #26 on: 10 March 2017, 20:35:46 »

Actually, looking how far it is up the bore it could only have been something in the top ring  :-\
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #27 on: 10 March 2017, 20:45:07 »

Not sure that I would worry about that :-\ vertical marks are finer than the lateral roughing marks (also present on adjacent bore), and both are still smooth enough to reflect the crown of the piston...
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #28 on: 10 March 2017, 20:48:29 »

Not sure that I would worry about that :-\ vertical marks are finer than the lateral roughing marks (also present on adjacent bore), and both are still smooth enough to reflect the crown of the piston...

To be honest - if we're sure it happened before I took it apart, then it's not so much the scoring we can see, that I'm worried about - as I think that's fine - it's more whether or not there's anything stuck in there likely to do more damage...  :-\
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Re: Bore damage. Game over for BMW?
« Reply #29 on: 10 March 2017, 20:50:46 »

All well just put the piston to tdc and use a torch, there should be a tiny bit of play and give you enough clearance to see if there's anything still there?
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