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Re: Syria
« Reply #15 on: 06 April 2017, 16:51:25 »
Quote from: STEMO on 06 April 2017, 13:07:43
Quote from: Migv6 on 06 April 2017, 08:28:21
That's the problem with the Middle east. Every time the West tries to make a terrible situation better, we make it a whole lot worse.
It seems to be an impossible situation. :(
What if there wasn't a Middle East any more?   ::)

Imagine there is no country. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to live or die for. :)
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« Reply #16 on: 06 April 2017, 16:57:12 »
Which equates to not caring enough about anything or anyone to die for them.
John Lennon was a moronic hypocrite, with an outlook on political matters which would get torn apart in the average 6th form debating society.  :)
There seems to be some evidence that while has making records about peace and stopping war, he was sending funds to the IRA.
Apparently his working class credibility depended on it.
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« Reply #17 on: 06 April 2017, 17:15:10 »
Quote from: Migv6 on 06 April 2017, 16:57:12
Which equates to not caring enough about anything or anyone to die for them.
John Lennon was a moronic hypocrite, with an outlook on political matters which would get torn apart in the average 6th form debating society.  :)
There seems to be some evidence that while has making records about peace and stopping war, he was sending funds to the IRA.
Apparently his working class credibility depended on it.

He was a scouser so STMO must like him. All scousers like all other scousers. I think. ;)
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« Reply #18 on: 06 April 2017, 22:13:11 »
Tonight it sounds as though the American war drums are about to be sounded with the Whitehouse talking with the Pentagon about taking action against Assad. Trump has changed his mind and now favours action being taken.

Observers are talking about military action being "imminent" and perhaps "overnight".

Here we go again.
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« Reply #19 on: 06 April 2017, 22:21:22 »
I think the dcision was taken and allies briefed 36 hours ago. The diplomatic claptrap is just a cover for the prep going on behind the scenes.

Like others have said on here, tis a dangerous line. Maybe Putin is onside in return for loosening sanctions as yet unnanounced.
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Re: Syria
« Reply #20 on: 06 April 2017, 22:25:50 »
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« Reply #21 on: 06 April 2017, 22:40:41 »
Churchill once famously said that 'jaw jaw was always preferable to war war'.......and he was right.

However, Assad  became emboldened when Obama didn't respond militarily when chemical weapons were used in 2013.

If significant military force is used it is fair to say the relationship between Putin and Trump will become dangerously fragile. :-\

 

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« Reply #22 on: 06 April 2017, 22:49:46 »
Yep Obama bottled it and was proved to be bluffing. He has a lot to answer for. An utterly useless excuse for a president.
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« Reply #23 on: 06 April 2017, 22:53:47 »
Maybe. It could be the dividing lines have been drawn up. Part for assad (pro Russia incuding naval facilities) part for Kurds and part for the rest have already been drawn.
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« Reply #24 on: 06 April 2017, 22:56:13 »
Assad is continually pushing the boundaries on just how far he can go on completely and totally eliminating any remnant of the rebels. Support from Russia has emboldened him to take ever more radical steps to achieve his aim. Russia is wavering in it's support in the face of such international criticism on the use of chemical agents. Assad may waver but his underlying objective will remain the same until he feels that his position is 100% secure.

So, we all think " poor rebels" and indeed most of the victims are innocent. However, is there a fundamentalist movement behind the rebels ? I don't know the answers to these things, I wish I did.



   
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« Reply #25 on: 06 April 2017, 23:12:44 »
That is part of the problem. Various factions being armed or funded by interested parties.

One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

Whenthe media reports Satanic State being driven out of Mosul. Whete are they driven to?
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Re: Syria
« Reply #26 on: 07 April 2017, 05:51:30 »
Quote from: Lizzie Zoom on 06 April 2017, 22:13:11
Tonight it sounds as though the American war drums are about to be sounded with the Whitehouse talking with the Pentagon about taking action against Assad. Trump has changed his mind and now favours action being taken.

Observers are talking about military action being "imminent" and perhaps "overnight".

Here we go again.
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Overnight.  Missile launch. Russians informed in advance of the attack it seems, good move as I think that even they are getting peed off with Assad themselves.

But just where do things go from here ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39523654




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« Reply #27 on: 07 April 2017, 07:20:13 »
As the Russians were informed before the event, I guess it was only material damage caused. That is unfortunate, as I would have liked to have seen at least some of the personnel involved in the chemical bombing get their comeuppance.
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« Reply #28 on: 07 April 2017, 08:38:16 »
OK, hands up everyone who said "Trump won't do anything because he is Putin's puppet". Hey, look, 59 Tomahawk missiles.

Though I'm sure you can rationalise that because he warned the Russians - although that would be called common courtesy if they're not the people you're trying to bomb. I mean, assuming you believe it was Assad gassing people, not Putin by proxy.
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Re: Syria
« Reply #29 on: 07 April 2017, 08:59:12 »
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Shoes
Clearly the wrong thread :-[

1 Tomahawk missile is an effective statement, 59 of them simply reinforces that statement 58 times...

How involved Putin was in the chemical blast should be able to be measured by his reaction today.
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