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[LC0112G]

You forgot ICBM's 

Launching ICBM's would be extremely foolish - unless you tell the Russians and Chinese that you're going to do it first. Both Russia and China have ICBM launch detection systems in space, and if they see one unexpectedly jump out of a hole in the ground or from a sub, then you'd better hope their systems are good enough to predict where it's heading in-case they think it's headed their way and send one back!

Cruise missiles and B2's can both carry buckets of sunshine to Korea without risking ICBM provoked WW3.

[Lincs Robert]

Well, there you go, it has been announced that the US have used a bomb of just under 22,000, but in Afghanistan not Syria

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending-now/us-drops-moab-bomb-on-afghanistan/512244932

That is more like it.  As I previously stated in this thread, conventional 22,000 "earthquake" bombs were used during WWII.  Perhaps the US next time should use these instead of 59 cruise missles in Syria; they will do far more damage

I think they might also be saving a few of those for when they have a quiet word with Kim Jong-un, along with few 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP's on the soon to be former nuclear facilities.

I'm assuming they would have to hit them all at the same time to avoid retaliation?

[Rods2]

Well, there you go, it has been announced that the US have used a bomb of just under 22,000, but in Afghanistan not Syria

http://www.fox13memphis.com/news/trending-now/us-drops-moab-bomb-on-afghanistan/512244932

That is more like it.  As I previously stated in this thread, conventional 22,000 "earthquake" bombs were used during WWII.  Perhaps the US next time should use these instead of 59 cruise missles in Syria; they will do far more damage

I think they might also be saving a few of those for when they have a quiet word with Kim Jong-un, along with few 30,000lb GBU-57B MOP's on the soon to be former nuclear facilities.

I'm assuming they would have to hit them all at the same time to avoid retaliation?

That would depend on how much preparation is required before launch and although the US does not officially have an anti-ICBM defense system, who knows? All nuclear stuff and their capabilities are very closely guarded secrets.

[Doctor Gollum]

Jesus was a fictional character based loosely on a fisherman from Nazareth.

Quite what he did, or didn't, say about anything has absolutely Sweet Fanny Adams to do with anything... least of all squabbling between minority Arabian factions or some despot lunatic in South East Asia

[Lizzie Zoom]

Jesus was a fictional character based loosely on a fisherman from Nazareth.

Quite what he did, or didn't, say about anything has absolutely Sweet Fanny Adams to do with anything... least of all squabbling between minority Arabian factions or some despot lunatic in South East Asia

That is your opinion, many others feel differently.

To many of us Jesus and God will make a difference and win through what is the evil of this world.  It will be painful times, but they have everything to do with what happens in this place we exist in at the moment.  It is why billions are remembing the sacrifice Jesus made for all of us today.

[Doctor Gollum]

Didn't answer the question

[ronnyd]

Too many barbarous acts done in the name of religion make it a no no for me.

[Doctor Gollum]

Too many barbarous acts done in the name of religion make it a no no for me.

Amen to that.

The whole Mygodisbetterthanyourgod bs has alot to answer for.

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

Until the rise of ISIS, it was historically much more about people who wanted power and territory, attaching their agenda to the religious beliefs of ordinary people, in order to get their unwavering support. From the Middle East, to Northern Ireland its the oldest trick in the book.
It seems different with ISIS though. They are actually doing what they do for purely religious reasons.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Decisive action to halt what is the diplomatic disaster of the middle east.?

We havent got a good track record of  putting something in place having created a vacuum. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and now Syria, you cannot bomb an ideology out of existence. Assuming the West managed to remove Assad, what then? Draw some arbitrary lines on maps? We have form on that.

Syria today, Yemen next week. Iran next year.

Let's face it, the Middle East has been a melting pot for politic and religious unrest since before the last days of the Romans.  The West has been taking action in those parts for 1000 years.  Who is to say that conflicts over the Middle East will not still be the norm for another 1000 years.  The Romans up to 1453 had some control over these parts, then the Ottoman Empire, with western empires mixing the pot.

Jesus even predicted that Jerusalem would always be the centre of conflict until the final Judgement, the Apocalypse.

Who has any real answers to it, that fatal mix of politics and religion?

This was my post that touched on religion.  I explained that this is no easy problem to solve and is a terrible mix of politics and religion.  Always has been (well for at least about 1,000 years) and always will be until the end of time. It is not all about religion, or all about politics.  It is a about man's evil greedy lust for power over other people's, such as now in Syria.

I make the point about Jesus as, for those billions of us who believe, he did predict much future trouble for "Jerusalem", and for us it will be God who finally puts an end to the misery by wiping away the evil.  Obviously a lot, including the so called Muslims of ISIS and non-believers - it makes no difference - they do not believe that and in this case only crave for power.

If you have no faith then there is nothing to look forward to.  If you have faith, you know that there will be THE answer to cure all.   

That is my Christian opinion, but I do not expect total agreement from others.  It is for the individual to decide.  In the meantime the slaughter goes on of people of all religions, creeds and colours.  Politics has a record of failure and resorting to war.  No doubt we will see more here in the Middle East, and no doubt elsewhere in Asia.  Even if you do not normally pray for peace, it may be a good time to start!!

[Doctor Gollum]

Religion is used as a justification for all sorts of things, not least power and control over people and money.

This, and statements like it...

Imake the point about Jesus as, for those billions of us who believe, he did predict much future trouble for "Jerusalem", and for us it will be God who finally puts an end to the misery by wiping away the evil. Obviously a lot, including the so called Muslims of ISIS and non-believers - it makes no difference - they do not believe that and in this case only crave for power.

... serve only to rile those who do not conform to 'good christian values' as they imply that any one other than a god fearing Christian is by default, evil and therefore deserves to opps off and rot in eternal misery.

You believe what you believe,  I will continue to do the same, but don't you dare presume to preach or otherwise impose those beliefs on me.

I take particular exception to this statement...

If you have no faith then there is nothing to look forward to. If you have faith, you know that there will be THE answer to cure all.

Your last statement however nicely sums up the arrogant hypocrisy of your position.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Religion is used as a justification for all sorts of things, not least power and control over people and money.

This, and statements like it...

Imake the point about Jesus as, for those billions of us who believe, he did predict much future trouble for "Jerusalem", and for us it will be God who finally puts an end to the misery by wiping away the evil. Obviously a lot, including the so called Muslims of ISIS and non-believers - it makes no difference - they do not believe that and in this case only crave for power.

... serve only to rile those who do not conform to 'good christian values' as they imply that any one other than a god fearing Christian is by default, evil and therefore deserves to opps off and rot in eternal misery.

You believe what you believe,  I will continue to do the same, but don't you dare presume to preach or otherwise impose those beliefs on me.

I take particular exception to this statement...

If you have no faith then there is nothing to look forward to. If you have faith, you know that there will be THE answer to cure all.

Your last statement however nicely sums up the arrogant hypocrisy of your position.

Whatever

[ronnyd]

I do agree with DG on this issue Lizzie, I find some of your comments came across, to me anyway, as somewhat sanctimonious.
Yes, i do have faith, but not in religion.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I do agree with DG on this issue Lizzie, I find some of your comments came across, to me anyway, as somewhat sanctimonious.
Yes, i do have faith, but not in religion.

Whenever someone talks about their Christian faith they can be classed as sanctimonious. This is never my intention and I apologize if you think I have; I am just stating what I feel in the posts within this thread about the Middle East.  Nothing more, nothing less.  As for having faith but not in religion, it may be of interest to know so do I.  I do not agree with the politics of any of the churches, but just believe and have faith praying in a private capacity.

But there you have the risks, as always was in the past, of a thread being started in General Chat that touches on politics, which inevitably brings in the subject of religion.  People have opinions both ways, and that will come out in the discussions.  We comment in terms of our personal opinions, but as was always the case, there is always someone who gets upset about your views and cannot accept counter comment.

In view of what I last stated in my post - "That is my Christian opinion, but I do not expect total agreement from others.  It is for the individual to decide."

and what I stated in my first post that I re-quoted, I do wonder if they have been read and understood. But, hey ho, if that is how people interrupt carefully constructed comments..................  

[Doctor Gollum]

I do agree with DG on this issue Lizzie, I find some of your comments came across, to me anyway, as somewhat sanctimonious.
Yes, i do have faith, but not in religion.

Whenever someone talks about their Christian faith they can be classed as sanctimonious. This is never my intention and I apologize if you think I have; I am just stating what I feel in the posts within this thread about the Middle East.  Nothing more, nothing less.  As for having faith but not in religion, it may be of interest to know so do I.  I do not agree with the politics of any of the churches, but just believe and have faith praying in a private capacity.

But there you have the risks, as always was in the past, of a thread being started in General Chat that touches on politics, which inevitably brings in the subject of religion.  People have opinions both ways, and that will come out in the discussions.  We comment in terms of our personal opinions, but as was always the case, there is always someone who gets upset about your views and cannot accept counter comment.

I bet you grow lovely roses