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[Lizzie Zoom]

I do agree with DG on this issue Lizzie, I find some of your comments came across, to me anyway, as somewhat sanctimonious.
Yes, i do have faith, but not in religion.

Whenever someone talks about their Christian faith they can be classed as sanctimonious. This is never my intention and I apologize if you think I have; I am just stating what I feel in the posts within this thread about the Middle East.  Nothing more, nothing less.  As for having faith but not in religion, it may be of interest to know so do I.  I do not agree with the politics of any of the churches, but just believe and have faith praying in a private capacity.

But there you have the risks, as always was in the past, of a thread being started in General Chat that touches on politics, which inevitably brings in the subject of religion.  People have opinions both ways, and that will come out in the discussions.  We comment in terms of our personal opinions, but as was always the case, there is always someone who gets upset about your views and cannot accept counter comment.

I bet you grow lovely roses

Yes I do, with all the shit I have to clear up for other people!

[ronnyd]

As you say Lizzie, we all have our differing points of view on these (and many other things as well) so we will have to agree to disagree on these.

[Sir Tigger KC]

....... and for us it will be God who finally puts an end to the misery by wiping away the evil.   

Well he's taking his bloody time over it Lizzie! 

Still I suppose he's busy managing supernovas, stopping black holes from swallowing us up, and stopping bits of the universe whizzing off in the wrong direction, to worry about one species on one planet in a forgotten godforsaken corner of one galaxy amongst billions. 

Happy Easter! 

[Lizzie Zoom]

As you say Lizzie, we all have our differing points of view on these (and many other things as well) so we will have to agree to disagree on these.

 

[Lizzie Zoom]

....... and for us it will be God who finally puts an end to the misery by wiping away the evil.   

Well he's taking his bloody time over it Lizzie! 

Still I suppose he's busy managing supernovas, stopping black holes from swallowing us up, and stopping bits of the universe whizzing off in the wrong direction, to worry about one species on one planet in a forgotten godforsaken corner of one galaxy amongst billions. 

Happy Easter! 

Yes, God has his hands full

Happy Easter to you as well

[STEMO]

Religion...again. Poison on a forum and should lead to a ban for anyone that brings it into the conversation. God and, therefore, religion cannot be proved and only exists in the minds of people. Things exist in the minds of nutters and, if they insist that they are real, they get sectioned.

My point to you in particular, Lizzie, is that once you bring religion into a discussion, you lose all credibility. People may listen to your point of view, until you talk about imaginary beings.....and, by definition, that's what god is.

[STEMO]

One more point, and a serious one at that. We have a very large membership on here, so it stands to reason that there will be people who believe in a different fairy to you. I don't think that they should have to listen your condescending sermons about what 'god' has got in store for them.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Religion...again. Poison on a forum and should lead to a ban for anyone that brings it into the conversation. God and, therefore, religion cannot be proved and only exists in the minds of people. Things exist in the minds of nutters and, if they insist that they are real, they get sectioned.

My point to you in particular, Lizzie, is that once you bring religion into a discussion, you lose all credibility. People may listen to your point of view, until you talk about imaginary beings.....and, by definition, that's what god is.

No the problem is that some do not like matters talked about that they either cannot understand or do not believe in.  Like EVERYONE else on this forum I have my opinions and if it is ok for others to express them then it must be ok for me to express my views.

In this thread I only referred to Jesus and what he said.  I then, yet again, am faced with certain individuals insulting our God and my beliefs. I have not insulted anyone, but you and Doctor Gollam have decided that YOU are offended by my opinions.  Give me strength!!!

I have experienced this before on this Forum and decided to leave. I have come back refreshed and I WILL state what I believe all the time others are expressing their views, which I may not agree with, but, we can agree to disagree.  Why not?!

Not once have I said YOU MUST agree with me, so why insult me with certain statements made by you and DG my faith, Jesus, and our God? Why do you take things so seriously and make such rude comment?  I have done nothing to you.  I am just trying to be a Christain, a woman, and someone who has been life educated with an opinion on the subjects posted. You have decided to read into my posts things that are not there, and it is you who have the problem.

If you want to trade childish insults I cannot stop you, but it is you who are discrediting yourself.  You have always tried to put on a demonstrative act, and DG with his evil and disturbing avatar and personality does the same.  I am sure you and him are just playing up your acts to try and wind up members like me who dare to pass comment.

So you want anyone who mentions religion to be banned? How about banning any adult conversations, or even just banning General Chat altogether?  Let's just keep this forum as it always was; a car forum about Omega's and keeping them going, then additionally about all other cars? 

If that was the case then opinions about life would not come into it. But how boring for those who just want an intelligent conversation on many varied subjects that affect our lives.

[Fraggles Rock]

I know I am new hear, and but a simpleton, but how, pray* tell can an avatar of a character from a highly regarded piece of children's literature be 'evil and offensive' yet you make no mention of the signature at the bottom of each post?

*no pun intended

Religion is a private matter, and can be very divisive, especially in well meaning or pious hands.

[Lizzie Zoom]

I know I am new hear, and but a simpleton, but how, pray* tell can an avatar of a character from a highly regarded piece of children's literature be 'evil and offensive' yet you make no mention of the signature at the bottom of each post?

*no pun intended

Religion is a private matter, and can be very divisive, especially in well meaning or pious hands.

Gollum is an evil character in the book Lord of the Rings which are considered to be adult reading and of extreme complex.

I would never normally raise the issue of another members avatar, but in this case it is used to exaggerate the character as a devilish member with comments in many posts to match.  I make the point as I do NOT believe Doctor Gollum is really evil and nasty, he just plays a character that can often make you laugh.  However, on this occasion, and a previous one for me, he has made directly insulting comments about me and my beliefs, which STEMO, another "character" on this forum has repeated and amplified.

As I have repeatedly stated, we all have our opinions and should work with them when expressed.  Why though should someone insult another over their opinion? If you fully read my offerings in this thread you should understand my point.

[STEMO]

I was going to break into a fit of laughter, but, maybe I'd be better trying to understand this version of events.
So......tell me if I've got it wrong:
God created man in his own image and made a nice world for him to live on. Day, night, water, land, food...all good stuff. Then he gave him a woman to play with. This resulted in more people, lots of them in fact. Move on a bit and god didn't like the way things were going, so he sent his only son down to sort things out. To prove he was the son of god he did some magic tricks. Some of the people who god created didn't like this, so they nailed him to a piece of wood and put hlm in a dark cave and put a big rock in front of it. Job done.
But no! He came back to life, moved the stone, spent 40 days telling people how pissed off he was and went back home to his dad.
But, before he went, in a stroke of genius, he told people he was giving them their own free will, so if they did anything bad, it wasn't his fault, it was theirs. But...he'd be watching, and if you were naughty...well...he had this mate called Nick who'd sort you out after you were dead.

How am I doing?

[Doctor Gollum]

Religion...again. Poison on a forum and should lead to a ban for anyone that brings it into the conversation. God and, therefore, religion cannot be proved and only exists in the minds of people. Things exist in the minds of nutters and, if they insist that they are real, they get sectioned.

My point to you in particular, Lizzie, is that once you bring religion into a discussion, you lose all credibility. People may listen to your point of view, until you talk about imaginary beings.....and, by definition, that's what god is.

No the problem is that some do not like matters talked about that they either cannot understand or do not believe in.  Like EVERYONE else on this forum I have my opinions and if it is ok for others to express them then it must be ok for me to express my views.If, by insinuation, you are suggesting that I am uneducated and misguided, then you are gravely mistaken.

In this thread I only referred to Jesus and what he said.  I then, yet again, am faced with certain individuals insulting our God and my beliefs. I have not insulted anyone, but you and Doctor Gollam have decided that YOU are offended by my opinions.  Give me strength!!! Your posts on this matter have varied from pompous and condescending to downright offensive

I have experienced this before on this Forum and decided to leave. I have come back refreshed and I WILL state what I believe all the time others are expressing their views, which I may not agree with, but, we can agree to disagree.  Why not?!Historical situations of your own making. And with each resurgence we a forced to bear witness to how you were wronged. Not always instantly, but sooner or later. The Hampshire cambelt me springs to mind. Everyone there got stuck in, and the whole weekend was agreed at the time to have been enjoyed by everyone who attended... yet sometime after the event, and in a flouncing statement, you announced how you had felt unwelcomed; and following and argument felt you should leave.

Not once have I said YOU MUST agree with me, so why insult me with certain statements made by you and DG my faith, Jesus, and our God? Why do you take things so seriously and make such rude comment?  I have done nothing to you.  I am just trying to be a Christain, a woman, and someone who has been life educated with an opinion on the subjects posted. You have decided to read into my posts things that are not there, and it is you who have the problem.The written word is a powerful tool, and used in a considered manner can reap many deliberate interpretations. Being a woman, a chri stain (Onan would be pleased), and an opinionated one at that, gives you the right to take defense of a devisive point of view? No more than anyone else in the world, be they of faith or not/coloured or not/married or gay or transgender. You bought religious opinion into this, fully knowing and understanding where it would lead. This is your bed. Lie in it.

If you want to trade childish insults I cannot stop you, but it is you who are discrediting yourself.  You have always tried to put on a demonstrative act, and DG with his evil and disturbing avatar and personality does the same.  I am sure you and him are just playing up your acts to try and wind up members like me who dare to pass comment.What ires you more? The insults themselves or the perceived childishness? You wind yourself up by provoking such so called attacks, leading those of a more straight talking nature to such ends.

So you want anyone who mentions religion to be banned? How about banning any adult conversations, or even just banning General Chat altogether?  Let's just keep this forum as it always was; a car forum about Omega's and keeping them going, then additionally about all other cars?Hmmm banning Gen Dis? An interesting idea, and curiously one which gets raised whenever you cause a rumpus such as this. Gen Dis serves a purpose, but the rights and wrongs of personal faith are not that purpose, and therefore might be reasonably be considered taboo. 

If that was the case then opinions about life would not come into it. But how boring for those who just want an intelligent conversation on many varied subjects that affect our lives.

And that's all that I have to say about that...

[Doctor Gollum]

Incidentally, I first read the Hobbit when I was nine... Lord of the Rings not long after.

[Lizzie Zoom]

.......and all this attack because I mentioned Jesus as a side quote on suggesting it (the Middle East) was a complex, long standing issue.

More insults from both Gollum and STEMO about what I and billions believe. From what you say though it goes back way before this post. You have got a weed up your arse and now want to make me feel very uncomfortable.

How childish.

You want me to leave again?  Not this time matey!

[STEMO]

.......and all this attack because I mentioned Jesus as a side quote on suggesting it (the Middle East) was a complex, long standing issue.

More insults from both Gollum and STEMO about what I and billions believe. From what you say though it goes back way before this post. You have got a weed up your arse and now want to make me feel very uncomfortable.

How childish.

You want me to leave again?  Not this time matey!

Insults? Which bits did I get wrong then?