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[Marks DTM Calib]

The fundamental is the need for petrol so no point in discussing diesel, it maybe that Nige does lots of short trips coupled with long jaunts in the pikey palace, if that's the case only a moron would chose a modern diesel.

[Doctor Gollum]

V70 T5/6, Bmw 5/7 Series, Mercedes E or S Class...

Basically any pre March 2006 

[LC0112G]

There is a version of the predecessor to the Omega which has a petrol engine and 419 ft/lb torque. Unusual to see one with a tow bar, but with a bit of butchery standard tow bar will fit. 

[Doctor Gollum]

Holden made a better stab at LPG than Vauxhall/Opel... Been offering LPG Commodore for decades.

[biggriffin]

Tow bar be available on eBay.au, or Amazon. Everything is possible.

[tunnie]

Tow bar be available on eBay.au, or Amazon. Everything is possible.

Not legal to fit in UK, as already pointed out. So while yes you could fit it, if ever involved in an accident you would have serious issues.

[Doctor Gollum]

Nothing to say that it wasn't imported with one fitted

[Kevin Wood]

Tow bar be available on eBay.au, or Amazon. Everything is possible.

Not legal to fit in UK, as already pointed out. So while yes you could fit it, if ever involved in an accident you would have serious issues.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, technically, on a car built after <some date> the towbar must be an EU type approved component.  That is also true of the car itself, however, and I'd bet that it doesn't have EU type approval, it's been imported and put on the road  via the UK's IVA process, most likely.

Now, had the car had a tow bar fitted when it went through IVA I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid. The inspector would have judged it "equivalent to" an EU type approved towbar (sufficiently strong and properly attached, etc) and the car would be legally towing on the UK roads.

Go into a towbar fitter and they'll probably tell you that they don't have a towbar they can legally supply. Source and fit a towbar yourself and I'm sure you would be fine. You can argue that the car isn't a type approved car, but that it has demonstrated equivalence to the relevant standards.

This is subtly different to chucking a towbar on a UK Monaro / VXR. They are EU type approved vehicles for which an EU type approved towbar fitment is not available, so game over.

Long winded way of explaining what Dr. G has just said. ^

[TheBoy]

Basically any pre March 2006 

Though its not unreasonable to say, if Pikey Entwood is replacing his Omega, he may want soemthing a bit newer.

However, I suspect he well keep the Omega for a fair bit longer, as its a pretty good tow car (and his pikey palace is a decent size), its cheap to run, and looked plenty tidy enough last time I saw it.

[TheBoy]

The fundamental is the need for petrol so no point in discussing diesel, it maybe that Nige does lots of short trips coupled with long jaunts in the pikey palace, if that's the case only a moron would chose a modern diesel.

Mr DTM, you know talking common sense never happens when talking about replacements for the Omega

[aaronjb]

Tow bar be available on eBay.au, or Amazon. Everything is possible.

Not legal to fit in UK, as already pointed out. So while yes you could fit it, if ever involved in an accident you would have serious issues.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, technically, on a car built after <some date> the towbar must be an EU type approved component.  That is also true of the car itself, however, and I'd bet that it doesn't have EU type approval, it's been imported and put on the road  via the UK's IVA process, most likely.

Now, had the car had a tow bar fitted when it went through IVA I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid. The inspector would have judged it "equivalent to" an EU type approved towbar (sufficiently strong and properly attached, etc) and the car would be legally towing on the UK roads.

Go into a towbar fitter and they'll probably tell you that they don't have a towbar they can legally supply. Source and fit a towbar yourself and I'm sure you would be fine. You can argue that the car isn't a type approved car, but that it has demonstrated equivalence to the relevant standards.

This is subtly different to chucking a towbar on a UK Monaro / VXR. They are EU type approved vehicles for which an EU type approved towbar fitment is not available, so game over.

Long winded way of explaining what Dr. G has just said. ^

Something I've seen discussed at length on kit car forums .. I'm not sure anyone has ever been unfortunate enough to have had to test the outcome of fitting a towbar to a car that's been through IVA, though (if you see what I mean)

[Kevin Wood]

Something I've seen discussed at length on kit car forums .. I'm not sure anyone has ever been unfortunate enough to have had to test the outcome of fitting a towbar to a car that's been through IVA, though (if you see what I mean)

Indeed. It's not a straightforward case of <towbar doesn't have the right number printed on it>, so, if it ever mattered enough, an expert witness would have to be called to tell the court whether the towbar fitment was or wasn't significant.

As long as we aren't talking about towing a twin axle burger van with a Robin Hood, it's probably not ever going to be an issue, but the point is that, if the car isn't an EU type approved vehicle, it has at some point been registered in the UK because it meets broadly equivalent standards. That means you can't be pulled up for not having the right number on a component, because that component could have been judged at IVA to be compliant.

[Doctor Gollum]

So obtaining and fitting a genuine Holden accessory from a Holden dealer, expensive I know, but should then be demonstrated to be fit for purpose.

Any other source, they are readily available from the US from $150, might not be so easy to prove compliance.

Buy the car, spend £500 on obtaining a genuine Holden towbar, fit the seats from a VXR8 and call it done

[aaronjb]

Indeed. It's not a straightforward case of <towbar doesn't have the right number printed on it>, so, if it ever mattered enough, an expert witness would have to be called to tell the court whether the towbar fitment was or wasn't significant.

As long as we aren't talking about towing a twin axle burger van with a Robin Hood, it's probably not ever going to be an issue, but the point is that, if the car isn't an EU type approved vehicle, it has at some point been registered in the UK because it meets broadly equivalent standards. That means you can't be pulled up for not having the right number on a component, because that component could have been judged at IVA to be compliant.

I strongly considered making (or having made, not sure I trust my welding that much yet! ) a bar up for the Cobra and IVAing it with it in place; that way it surely constitutes as much of a pass as the rest of the car.. then taking it off, of course, as I have nothing to tow.

Although for those long trips away .. https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FbNVpG_UX90/Ujq6-EzchYI/AAAAAAAAUeo/AsJ018-EnNY/s1600/ac-cobra-with-cobra-trailer.jpg

Sorry Entwood, more drift!

[tunnie]

Tow bar be available on eBay.au, or Amazon. Everything is possible.

Not legal to fit in UK, as already pointed out. So while yes you could fit it, if ever involved in an accident you would have serious issues.

I'm not so sure about that. Yes, technically, on a car built after <some date> the towbar must be an EU type approved component.  That is also true of the car itself, however, and I'd bet that it doesn't have EU type approval, it's been imported and put on the road  via the UK's IVA process, most likely.

Now, had the car had a tow bar fitted when it went through IVA I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid. The inspector would have judged it "equivalent to" an EU type approved towbar (sufficiently strong and properly attached, etc) and the car would be legally towing on the UK roads.

Go into a towbar fitter and they'll probably tell you that they don't have a towbar they can legally supply. Source and fit a towbar yourself and I'm sure you would be fine. You can argue that the car isn't a type approved car, but that it has demonstrated equivalence to the relevant standards.

This is subtly different to chucking a towbar on a UK Monaro / VXR. They are EU type approved vehicles for which an EU type approved towbar fitment is not available, so game over.

Long winded way of explaining what Dr. G has just said. ^

This is what's needed I think, perhaps get the seller to install one. Then t's a case of 'it was fitted when I bought it' - other wise the insurance conversations could be interesting.