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[Mr Skrunts]

Is gravy-making a lost art nowadays? Any "how-to" suggestions welcome.....

Ron.

Add bisto to hot water?   then add an oxo to that, I was impressed with the result.

Also, to Skrunts - nut roast and meatloaf? I thought at least one of those was a solely American preserve..

[Varche]

Anybody have runner beans presrved in salt? Washed a thousand times prior to eating and still just tasted of salt......

[Mister Rog]

Am I wrong or is life expectancy somewhat (a lot) higher than it was say 40/50 years ago ? Actually even 20 years ago 

[Rods2]

Am I wrong or is life expectancy somewhat (a lot) higher than it was say 40/50 years ago ? Actually even 20 years ago 

Correct for a large number of reasons. After WWI and WWII about 90% of men smoked and it was only when the link between poor health and smoking was established in the 1960's that this started to decline. High fat diets cause circulation and blood clotting problems especially if a smoker was why men in their late 30's onwards started to thin out significantly from heart attacks. Improved lifestyles, public health, safety and medical advances means that far fewer people die from birth onwards before their time. These days if you live to 60, don't smoke, exercise a bit, eat a sensible diet and drink sensible amounts and aren't obese then you have a good chance of reaching 84-86 which is the peak age for dying.

[Varche]

Peak age for dying............

Lovely. Just been to hospital today visiting . Lots of peak agers there.

[TD]

Anybody have runner beans presrved in salt? Washed a thousand times prior to eating and still just tasted of salt......

Never thought of doing that.
If I have too many runner beans keeping them in a plastic bag in the fridge stops them going soft for a few days/week.
If I want to keep them for longer, I prepare them and then put them in portions, then shove in the freezer. Straight out of the freezer into boiling water then 

[Mister Rog]

Am I wrong or is life expectancy somewhat (a lot) higher than it was say 40/50 years ago ? Actually even 20 years ago 

Correct for a large number of reasons. After WWI and WWII about 90% of men smoked and it was only when the link between poor health and smoking was established in the 1960's that this started to decline. High fat diets cause circulation and blood clotting problems especially if a smoker was why men in their late 30's onwards started to thin out significantly from heart attacks. Improved lifestyles, public health, safety and medical advances means that far fewer people die from birth onwards before their time. These days if you live to 60, don't smoke, exercise a bit, eat a sensible diet and drink sensible amounts and aren't obese then you have a good chance of reaching 84-86 which is the peak age for dying.

Great. I look forward to it then 



Was it Woody Allen who said something like " I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens" ?

[Lizzie Zoom]

Am I wrong or is life expectancy somewhat (a lot) higher than it was say 40/50 years ago ? Actually even 20 years ago 

Correct for a large number of reasons. After WWI and WWII about 90% of men smoked and it was only when the link between poor health and smoking was established in the 1960's that this started to decline. High fat diets cause circulation and blood clotting problems especially if a smoker was why men in their late 30's onwards started to thin out significantly from heart attacks. Improved lifestyles, public health, safety and medical advances means that far fewer people die from birth onwards before their time. These days if you live to 60, don't smoke, exercise a bit, eat a sensible diet and drink sensible amounts and aren't obese then you have a good chance of reaching 84-86 which is the peak age for dying.

Yep, every time I study this area of history I am reminded that in around 1800, the average life expectancy of men was 40, women 42.  In 1700 it was only around 35. In those times just getting through infancy was hard enough, with 1 in 5 children, if they and the mother survived childbirth, not living to their 5th birthday in 1800. Up to 12% of children would see both parents die by the time the children were 25.

Hard times, and for more information on how things have improved, look at these figures:

 https://visual.ons.gov.uk/how-has-life-expectancy-changed-over-time/

 

[Varche]

Anybody have runner beans presrved in salt? Washed a thousand times prior to eating and still just tasted of salt......

Never thought of doing that.
If I have too many runner beans keeping them in a plastic bag in the fridge stops them going soft for a few days/week.
If I want to keep them for longer, I prepare them and then put them in portions, then shove in the freezer. Straight out of the freezer into boiling water then 

Well pre fridges andfreezers salting was a method of preserving. When my great aunt died 1979 she had about 75 eggs preserved in eisenglass. She had lived through shortages of two world wars and was never going to go short again.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Anybody have runner beans presrved in salt? Washed a thousand times prior to eating and still just tasted of salt......

Never thought of doing that.
If I have too many runner beans keeping them in a plastic bag in the fridge stops them going soft for a few days/week.
If I want to keep them for longer, I prepare them and then put them in portions, then shove in the freezer. Straight out of the freezer into boiling water then 

Well pre fridges andfreezers salting was a method of preserving. When my great aunt died 1979 she had about 75 eggs preserved in eisenglass. She had lived through shortages of two world wars and was never going to go short again.

My great aunt (died 1990 aged 95) used to totally rely on her pantry, that was always cold even in the summer. She, like yours Varche, had know many hard times during the periods of the two world wars. "Waste not want not" was her favourite expression, that has been ingrained in me for the whole of my life. One other difference in her day was that shopping was done at the most on a weekly basis, if not every other day. Life before fridges meant the huge monthly shopping expeditions of today to mega supermarkets were just not an option.

[Mr Gav]

Yes mum used to use cornflower and Bisto powder for the gravy done in the meat dish after [iirc] she'd poured off the dripping[or as dad would have it the sweat off the meat]Dripping sandwiches or dripping on toast mmmmm,yummy
One type of sandwich I used to love-and still have from time to time-[some friends used to think it was "dirty"]were cheese and jam.They had to be made with white cheese[not red] and strawberry jam

I love cheese and jam sandwiches, I always get a funny look if I`m having them at work, people just don`t understand how nice they are 

[Bigron]

Lizzie, I am sure that you are in favour of equality between genders, so in order to achieve this goal and because, as you have shown, women have greater life expectancy than men, I suggest that a slow poison be introduced into the female diet to even out this anomaly.
The governm,ent department for Equality (whatevewr it is currently called) could adopt this as a policy and implement it immediately - we have waited too long already! 

Ron.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Yes mum used to use cornflower and Bisto powder for the gravy done in the meat dish after [iirc] she'd poured off the dripping[or as dad would have it the sweat off the meat]Dripping sandwiches or dripping on toast mmmmm,yummy
One type of sandwich I used to love-and still have from time to time-[some friends used to think it was "dirty"]were cheese and jam.They had to be made with white cheese[not red] and strawberry jam

I love cheese and jam sandwiches, I always get a funny look if I`m having them at work, people just don`t understand how nice they are 

Have you tried peanut butter and jam in sandwiches?  Lovely!!

[Lizzie Zoom]

Lizzie, I am sure that you are in favour of equality between genders, so in order to achieve this goal and because, as you have shown, women have greater life expectancy than men, I suggest that a slow poison be introduced into the female diet to even out this anomaly.
The governm,ent department for Equality (whatevewr it is currently called) could adopt this as a policy and implement it immediately - we have waited too long already! 

Ron.

Oh Ron, if we did as you suggest the human race would be ignoring the fact of life that the stronger survive.  So we have got to come up with a National Socialist approach that the weaker men are "vacated" from life in a gradual process, with us women being artificially inseminated. Then many advantages would become apparent, such as no more war and a dramatic fall in crime!

(Only joking with all that Ron, but that is what could happen if another manic comes along believing in a super race in another time warp!!)

 

[Bigron]

So was I (joking, I mean), but it's fun to tease! To truly be equaj, women would need to have another four ounces of brain to come near to the capability of men.
Women don't go to war? Joan of Arc, Boudicca, the Amazons?.....

Ron.