Brexit negotiations

[Kevin Wood]

Juncker staggered off the stage at a conference a few days ago wearing one brown shoe and one black, I kid you not, so could we really expect him to understand anything ? 
Varadkar is an irresponsible, opportunist, two bob chancer just like Macron in France. A d1ckhead of the highest order.
Having said that all of the above are running rings around our spineless excuse for a PM.   

He is either permanently pissed or recovering from a stroke. His hands are everywhere (all over Theresa) like me, when I get over excited when a group of teenage girls turn up.

At least your honest about it  I suppose. 

It's not the girls themselves. They just remind him of the joys of Marina ownership.

[Sir Tigger KC]

What we can't have is a soft border and WTO.

Why not?? The WTO are actively encouraging frictionless borders. 

We could and should be at the forefront of developing the protocols and technologies required to make this work and then could export this expertise worldwide.    That's probably magical thinking for most remainer types though. 

But none of the infrastructure is currently in place....

There is already infrastructure at the border as there are cameras there, so all this talk of no infrastructure is nonsense. If you mean physical barriers however, that just isn't going to happen as all parties involved have pledged not to erect a hard border, even in a No Deal scenario.  As said earlier there are WTO provisions for contentious borders where WTO members can take actions not taken at other borders for security reasons. 

....the implementation phase is currently planned to be 3 ish years which isn't a lot of time for any Govt high tech scheme.

HMRC have already said that they can adapt existing systems for the Irish border and can have it operational by the end of the planned transition period (December 2020), which looks likely to be extended anyway to December 2022. 

That isn't what happens. What happens is that some third country member of the WTO complains to the WTO about a second country getting more favourable treatment. Whilst the WTO decides on the merits of the case (takes months/years), that third country typically imposes punitive tariffs on some import to their country from the offending country/countries. If that third country is the USA complaining about us giving unfair treatment to Eire imports, then there are plenty of things they can penalise that will really hurt. That's basically what happened between Canada and the USA over Bombardier.

OK that's a fair point, but just an example of the normal rough and tumble of international trade I'd imagine.  Compare that with getting stuck in a Customs Union with a (questionably friendly) foreign power, where there is no legal right of exit without that foreign powers agreement, and no say in how that customs union is operated, in terms of trading arrangements with third countries, the tariffs we'd have to charge and market access we'd have to give. 

[STEMO]

TM keeps saying "People just want us to get on with it". What she means is "People are so fed up listening to the interminable bollix that I keep coming out with that they've lost the will to live and will accept any deal to make it go away".

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

TM keeps saying "People just want us to get on with it". What she means is "People are so fed up listening to the interminable bollix that I keep coming out with that they've lost the will to live and will accept any deal to make it go away".

Although she has repeatedly said there can be no second referendum I'm wondering if she is so pissed off with the job that she thinks "f*uck it......have another vote and then people will stop picking on me".

Peston said last night on TV that for the first time he thought it possible we may stay in the EU.......(presumably with our tail between our legs)

[Sir Tigger KC]

Well they'd better get on with it as there's only 127 days to go! 

Then all the remainers become rejoiners and the leavers become lefters. 

[STEMO]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

[Sir Tigger KC]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

Ole! 

Trouble is she'll probably just give 'em Gib, just to get the deal! 

Remember. Any deal is better than no deal!  Yay!   

[STEMO]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

Ole! 

Trouble is she'll probably just give 'em Gib, just to get the deal! 

Remember. Any deal is better than no deal!  Yay!   

Just as a matter of interest, when was the last time a British Prime Minister was assassinated?

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

Ole! 

Trouble is she'll probably just give 'em Gib, just to get the deal! 

Remember. Any deal is better than no deal!  Yay!   

Just as a matter of interest, when was the last time a British Prime Minister was assassinated?

The Americans are better at that sort of thing.

Wouldn't surprise me if some deranged H. Clinton fan shot that nice Mr Trump.

[STEMO]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

Ole! 

Trouble is she'll probably just give 'em Gib, just to get the deal! 

Remember. Any deal is better than no deal!  Yay!   

Just as a matter of interest, when was the last time a British Prime Minister was assassinated?

The Americans are better at that sort of thing.

Wouldn't surprise me if some deranged H. Clinton fan shot that nice Mr Trump.

Surely not? He's harmless, after all.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I'm relying on España to throw a spanner in the works.

Ole! 

Trouble is she'll probably just give 'em Gib, just to get the deal! 

Remember. Any deal is better than no deal!  Yay!   

Just as a matter of interest, when was the last time a British Prime Minister was assassinated?

The Americans are better at that sort of thing.

Wouldn't surprise me if some deranged H. Clinton fan shot that nice Mr Trump.

Surely not? He's harmless, after all.

That is what people thought about Norman Bates.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Actually, thinking about it now, Norman Bates was as sane as you or I. It was his mother that was unhinged.

[TheBoy]

The yanks were given 2 duff options due to how things panned out, and pragmatically took the most appealing of the 2 crap outcomes.

We have just 1 (viable)option, a bad deal. But this was the wish of the 52%, and how democracy works. It doesn't take into account naivety

[Migv6 le Frog Fan]

It wasn't the wish of the 52% and it aint going to get through the commons. Its far from over yet.

[ronnyd]

The yanks were given 2 duff options due to how things panned out, and pragmatically took the most appalling of the 2 crap outcomes.

We have just 1 (viable)option, a bad deal. But this was the wish of the 52%, and how democracy works. It doesn't take into account naivety

Fixed.