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[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Once the Ayatollah's stop weeping their crocodile tears for Soleimani as they realise that the USA has handily eliminated a potential problem where a protege gets over popular and powerful, I expect they will be chuckling at the weak Western world collectively pissing their pants in fear at what their medieval dictatorship might do in return.....     

The BBC yesterday solemnly reported the events in Tehran as if he was a conquering hero slain on the battlefield leading his troops into action and as if he was one of ours!    I've wondered if they'd had complaints as they put a slight bit of context into their reports today.... 

Personally I think we should be thankful that he is enjoying his 74 virgins as I expect many in the ME are quietly celebrating in the privacy of their living rooms that the murderous bastard is no more.  Apparently he was responsible for 1500 deaths in the recent protests in Iran and many more undoubtedly banged up indefinitely without trial.  We shouldn't forget that Iran has been slowly but surely ratcheting up their actions for some time and over the last 6 months in particular with the missile attacks on the tankers, the hijacking of the British tanker, the attack on the Aramco oil facility in Saudi Arabia, the attack on the US base in Iraq and the attempted storming of the US Embassy in Baghdad, which the US apparently intercepted Solemani's phone call giving the orders for that.  There's also the support for the Houthi rebels in Yemen, Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria's Assad.    So in my opinion it's about time someone fired a shot across their bows! 

I do feel sorry though for the 74 virgins, but I expect that in this day and age they are all 84 year old spinsters! 

If this is the case they'll be so dried up they'll peel his cock like a banana when he enters them.  

[Sir Tigger KC]

Once the Ayatollah's stop weeping their crocodile tears for Soleimani as they realise that the USA has handily eliminated a potential problem where a protege gets over popular and powerful, I expect they will be chuckling at the weak Western world collectively pissing their pants in fear at what their medieval dictatorship might do in return.....     

The BBC yesterday solemnly reported the events in Tehran as if he was a conquering hero slain on the battlefield leading his troops into action and as if he was one of ours!    I've wondered if they'd had complaints as they put a slight bit of context into their reports today.... 

Personally I think we should be thankful that he is enjoying his 74 virgins as I expect many in the ME are quietly celebrating in the privacy of their living rooms that the murderous bastard is no more.  Apparently he was responsible for 1500 deaths in the recent protests in Iran and many more undoubtedly banged up indefinitely without trial.  We shouldn't forget that Iran has been slowly but surely ratcheting up their actions for some time and over the last 6 months in particular with the missile attacks on the tankers, the hijacking of the British tanker, the attack on the Aramco oil facility in Saudi Arabia, the attack on the US base in Iraq and the attempted storming of the US Embassy in Baghdad, which the US apparently intercepted Solemani's phone call giving the orders for that.  There's also the support for the Houthi rebels in Yemen, Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria's Assad.    So in my opinion it's about time someone fired a shot across their bows! 

I do feel sorry though for the 74 virgins, but I expect that in this day and age they are all 84 year old spinsters! 

If this is the case they'll be so dried up they'll peel his cock like a banana when he enters them.

If there is a God, then this is probably indeed the case.  The muppets go to their martyrdom expecting 74 beautiful girls in the flower of their youth, but the reality is very different.    Poetic justice? 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Once the Ayatollah's stop weeping their crocodile tears for Soleimani as they realise that the USA has handily eliminated a potential problem where a protege gets over popular and powerful, I expect they will be chuckling at the weak Western world collectively pissing their pants in fear at what their medieval dictatorship might do in return.....     

The BBC yesterday solemnly reported the events in Tehran as if he was a conquering hero slain on the battlefield leading his troops into action and as if he was one of ours!    I've wondered if they'd had complaints as they put a slight bit of context into their reports today.... 

Personally I think we should be thankful that he is enjoying his 74 virgins as I expect many in the ME are quietly celebrating in the privacy of their living rooms that the murderous bastard is no more.  Apparently he was responsible for 1500 deaths in the recent protests in Iran and many more undoubtedly banged up indefinitely without trial.  We shouldn't forget that Iran has been slowly but surely ratcheting up their actions for some time and over the last 6 months in particular with the missile attacks on the tankers, the hijacking of the British tanker, the attack on the Aramco oil facility in Saudi Arabia, the attack on the US base in Iraq and the attempted storming of the US Embassy in Baghdad, which the US apparently intercepted Solemani's phone call giving the orders for that.  There's also the support for the Houthi rebels in Yemen, Hamas, Hezbollah and Syria's Assad.    So in my opinion it's about time someone fired a shot across their bows! 

I do feel sorry though for the 74 virgins, but I expect that in this day and age they are all 84 year old spinsters! 

If this is the case they'll be so dried up they'll peel his cock like a banana when he enters them.

If there is a God, then this is probably indeed the case.  The muppets go to their martyrdom expecting 74 beautiful girls in the flower of their youth, but the reality is very different.    Poetic justice? 

That is the sad fact.  Both many Westerners and Iranians believe in God.  They honour and respect his love, forgiveness and tolerance of us, his children.  But elements on both sides chuck out all their beliefs, IF they have any, and commit to war, murder, and cruelty to the many.

Only once we ALL live in peace and love, regardless of belief or not, can we hope to move on as one. That is pure common sense.  One thing is for sure the short and long term wages of sin is death, and if those fools who think they can murder and torture others can be "rewarded" by God - a flaw in both so called "Christians" and "Muslims" - then they are in for a terrible shock

[TheBoy]

Not sure what to make of the Ukrainian 737 crash though Appeared to come down in one piece, which suggests that it wasn't shot down...

Not just a simple case of the autopilot being set to a 27 runway, which disables all the instrumentation on a 737NG ?

[Doctor Gollum]

Not sure what to make of the Ukrainian 737 crash though Appeared to come down in one piece, which suggests that it wasn't shot down...

Not just a simple case of the autopilot being set to a 27 runway, which disables all the instrumentation on a 737NG ?

If that were the case neither Norwegian nor Tui would have any left as they would all have crashed in a fireball using 27L/R at Gatwick

Catastrophic uncontained engine failure isn't unheard of, and causing a fire in an aircraft full of fuel isn't beyond the realms of possibility... thanks to TWA800 and a couple of 737 fires (albeit non fatal ground fires), Fuel Tank Safety and Electrical Wiring Installation Security are two thirds of the prerequisite ongoing training required to work in commercial aircraft maintenance, and for good reason

There were a number of coincidences in Iran last night, and it is currently as likely to be an issue with the aircraft as a ploy to completely discredit the global 737 fleet and ruin Boeing as an obvious American economic target, although that's a bit subtle for a normally extremist regime... third party influence perhaps

It will be interesting to see what the investigation finds...

[Lizzie Zoom]

Film has been shown tonight of the plane descending fast as a fireball before exploding as it hit the ground.

So what does an in flight fireball indicate?

[TheBoy]

Not sure what to make of the Ukrainian 737 crash though Appeared to come down in one piece, which suggests that it wasn't shot down...

Not just a simple case of the autopilot being set to a 27 runway, which disables all the instrumentation on a 737NG ?

If that were the case neither Norwegian nor Tui would have any left as they would all have crashed in a fireball using 27L/R at Gatwick

I'm sure it was 27 runways, but might have got that bit wrong. Let me see if I can find the FAA details again....

[TheBoy]

Yeah, this one...
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgad.nsf/AOCADSearch/3948342A978CC27B862584DD005C1A60?OpenDocument

because the combination of CDS BP15 software and FMC U12 or later software installed can result in all six DUs blanking when a susceptible runway with 270 degree true heading is selected; this condition can prevent continued safe flight and landing.

[Doctor Gollum]

Film has been shown tonight of the plane descending fast as a fireball before exploding as it hit the ground.

So what does an in flight fireball indicate?

An onboard fire of undetermined source... could be absolutely anything from a wiring short to a ballistic missile... but considering that if you set light to over 80 tons of aluminium and jet A1, it will burn hot and fast.

Overheated AC packs or a sticking brake could do it.

[Varche]

The Silent Witness team will sort it now they have finished with the other plane crash.

[Lizzie Zoom]

Film has been shown tonight of the plane descending fast as a fireball before exploding as it hit the ground.

So what does an in flight fireball indicate?

An onboard fire of undetermined source... could be absolutely anything from a wiring short to a ballistic missile... but considering that if you set light to over 80 tons of aluminium and jet A1, it will burn hot and fast.

Overheated AC packs or a sticking brake could do it.

Thanks DG

It occurs to me now, after thinking about it that the Paris Concorde disaster had the plane “flying” as one horrible fireball until it crashed to the ground.  The cause of course was that piece of aircraft on the runway that the Concorde picked up and threw into it’s wing fuel tank.

A repeat performance perhaps?

[Doctor Gollum]

It's possible although the crew allegedly reported no problems with the take off

https://youtu.be/qs2IpWds4BA

A textbook example of a relatively innocuous issue of a fuel leak being ignited, probably by brake heat, and what happens next... No fatalities as the aircraft had just arrived at the gate. Same  aircraft type coincidentally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_800

Caused by the air-conditioning packs heating fuel vapour in the otherwise empty centre tank, enabling it to be ignited by a wiring fault in the tank sender unit. The spark was actually against the outside of the tank, but the vapour temperature was such that it ignited instantly blowing the forward fuselage off. Zero warning and no mayday calls.

Incidentally some B727 operators are currently facing forced  modifications to a handful of aircraft still fitted with centre tanks to prevent a repeat of this.

Aircraft safety is a fluid and ever adapting process, and even seemingly minor issues can cause potentially catastrophic incidents to develop and once an issue is highlighted, money is no object to resolve it, even if that affects an entire airline fleet.

[Rods2]

UIA 737 was relatively new where it was delivered in 2016 and last had scheduled maintenance two days before the Iran flight. There is much speculation, disinformation & conspiracy theories. Pictures have shown small holes in the aircraft debris fuselage, but that maybe no more the stones hitting the fuselage from the terrain where it crashed.

A US defence journal is claiming it was shot down by an Iranian Tor-M1 in this article, but at this point IMO it can't be considered to be anything more than speculation at this time, until we know more.

https://www.defenceaviation.com/2020/01/ukrainian-international-airlines-boeing-737-800-crashed-after-being-hit-by-iranian-tor-m1-missile.html

[Sir Tigger KC]

Foul play. Had to be. 

Might even have been something like a lone nutter who flew a drone into it, mistaking it for an American plane. 

[Doctor Gollum]

UIA 737 was relatively new where it was delivered in 2016 and last had scheduled maintenance two days before the Iran flight. There is much speculation, disinformation & conspiracy theories. Pictures have shown small holes in the aircraft debris fuselage, but that maybe no more the stones hitting the fuselage from the terrain where it crashed.

A US defence journal is claiming it was shot down by an Iranian Tor-M1 in this article, but at this point IMO it can't be considered to be anything more than speculation at this time, until we know more.

https://www.defenceaviation.com/2020/01/ukrainian-international-airlines-boeing-737-800-crashed-after-being-hit-by-iranian-tor-m1-missile.html

The news footage yesterday appeared to show someone striking a piece of fuselage with a spade

Also, whilst it had undergone an inspection on the 6th, they are being very quiet about the type of inspection...

A daily check is very different to a P, D or C check and it's probably too young for an A check

They also have form for not using all the available runway, although it's highly unlikely that was the issue in this case.