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Techy PC / Server question
« on: 01 September 2008, 18:26:08 »

Does anyone know how I can limit the bandwidth on my sisters computer at home?

Im sharing the ADSL connection on my win 2003 server. My sister is using xp pro. Shes always streaming audio and video over the web, now this normally wouldn't be a problem, but im only on 256k at the moment!  :-/

Its driving me crazy... somtimes I have to wait AGES for a simple page to load  >:(

My tempary get around is to change my servers IP address so she has no internet at all... however she only moans then!  ;D And its a pain having ot change IP's back and forth.  :(
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #1 on: 01 September 2008, 18:32:38 »

is she happy to be limited?  or will you need to control it at your end?

also do you want her on a fixed limit, or a quality of service type limit....ie YOU have 50% reserved, but if you are not trying to use it she can have 100%

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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #2 on: 01 September 2008, 18:52:18 »

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is she happy to be limited?  or will you need to control it at your end?

also do you want her on a fixed limit, or a quality of service type limit....ie YOU have 50% reserved, but if you are not trying to use it she can have 100%

she would rather it be limited than cut off  ;D

Well, 50% reserved type would be better, however a fixed limit would do the trick still :y

Ive no idea why, but her pc somehow has priority over mine  :o Could be my wireless thats slowing things a bit (its an old wifi access point thats on its last legs) But even so, if shes online, my speed is about the same as dial-up.
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #3 on: 01 September 2008, 19:25:28 »

How are you sharing your internet connection, from your other post, usb into server, and using ICS?
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #4 on: 01 September 2008, 19:57:01 »

at the moment yes  :(

Server is on 24/7 - not that its doing much at the moment (most of the traffic is from here actualy! and thats only people downloading my avatar pic! and the odd pic here and there!)
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #5 on: 01 September 2008, 20:11:08 »

not looked at this for a while, but check out www.netlimiter.com
it may offer the functionality you require  :y

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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #6 on: 01 September 2008, 20:30:41 »

Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #7 on: 01 September 2008, 20:40:39 »

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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.

The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic.  I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.
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« Reply #8 on: 01 September 2008, 21:06:12 »

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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Ooh, the joys of the OSI 7 Layer Model.

It's good for understanding how networks work but Gordon Bennet, is it a boring class. Give me analogue electronics - or even maths  :)

Anyway - correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Cisco based routers did this automatically? Perhaps the answer is to buy a cheap Netgear?
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« Reply #9 on: 01 September 2008, 21:08:27 »

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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Ooh, the joys of the OSI 7 Layer Model.

It's good for understanding how networks work but Gordon Bennet, is it a boring class. Give me analogue electronics - or even maths  :)

Anyway - correct me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that Cisco based routers did this automatically? Perhaps the answer is to buy a cheap Netgear?

No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing)  ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.

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« Reply #10 on: 01 September 2008, 21:22:42 »

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No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing)  ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.
Just a suggestion for a cheap (not free) fix. (Should have said Linksys as well).

Software that works at level 2 or 3 is going to be tough. OS doesn't start till layer 4... Layer 5 for Win... AFAIK.
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #11 on: 01 September 2008, 21:27:05 »

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No router involed, if there was a 1/2 decent one this thread wouldnt exist (thats the other solution - buy one with load sharing)  ALL the traffic goes through 1 PC, and a USB 'modem' so a software solution is needed here.
Just a suggestion for a cheap (not free) fix. (Should have said Linksys as well).

Software that works at level 2 or 3 is going to be tough. OS doesn't start till layer 4... Layer 5 for Win... AFAIK.
So Window's IP stack is not Layer 3 then :o  ;)
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« Reply #12 on: 01 September 2008, 21:29:08 »

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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.

The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic.  I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.

Depends on what algorithm the bridge (remember, its bridges at layer 2) is running for the QoS.

Reality is, QoS is the only option for true network control!
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Hmmmm, from an equipment perspective, its normaly something you would set in a bridge at a layer 2 level based on prioritised que's......from a server perspective, I cant comment (although I suspect the software does a similar thing).

in the layer 2 scenario you would give yourself max priority and her a lesser one. You would then get priority over her  (it wont cut her QoS to zero though, just back it off)
Seem to recall stndard versions of W2k3 doesn't do QoS, and its not a great implementation anyway.

The QoS implementation on the routers I use works but isn't entirely foolproof, in that it can not do much about incoming traffic.  I have to use it on the OOF frontend router to keep certain services running well.

Depends on what algorithm the bridge (remember, its bridges at layer 2) is running for the QoS.

Reality is, QoS is the only option for true network control!
Trouble is, if only one half of the link provides it, it is always half baked isn't it?  I can control what leaves my network via QoS, but cannot control receiving, as other end of the link (ISP/IPStream) doesn't support it...

I'm all ears, and bow to your expertise on this :y
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Re: Techy PC / Server question
« Reply #14 on: 01 September 2008, 22:02:24 »

Buy & install this on your server - http://www.softperfect.com/products/bandwidth/

Make sure her mac is blocked on your router so she can't connect directly to the Internet

Configure her PC to use the server as the default gateway


Only other way is like has been mentioned - get a decent router or a L3 switch & use QoS and give her a really low priority.
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